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Hi, My name is Jaye (I use my roommates account which is why it says Suzie A. Anderson on the post) We just moved into a new apartment, we have a 5 year old Cocker-Rott mix who is fixed and has all her current shots, our neighbor upstairs has a lab-sharpei mix who is just over a year old, isn’t fixed and has NOT had ANY shots whatsoever! The mother of the girl who she lives with is a Jahova’s Witness and does NOT believe in vaccinations (didn’t even give her kids vaccinations as far as Alex the daughter can remember) so she (the mother) REFUSES to let Alex get Xen her shots! I’m trying to convince Alex (who is almost 18) to have the vet who makes house calls come and give xen her shots. For the moment Xen and Sparky (my dog) don’t get along, and I’m afraid to let them "duke it out so to speak" in case Xen bites Sparky! ANY suggestions would be helpful, please post your responses. Also Xen has a bad habit of chewing on EVERYTHING including YOU! I understand she’s still a puppy, but it gets annoying. She has a training (spike) collar on most of the time with the leash attached, if you try and shorten her leash ie hold it or put your foot down on it to get her to lay down or stay in one spot, she starts this muffled growl that will usually turn into a bark, she’ll also bend her head down and try and chew on your hand to get you to let go of the leash. Alex can’t leave her at home because she’ll destroy the house, she’s too big for her crate so crating is out and this is winter in Alaska so leaving her tied out front is out too, so Alex brings her with her up to the university or basically anywhere she needs to go and leaves her in the truck, this is the way alex was able to potty train her. Don’t think she can afford professional training and she really loves this dog even though xen frustrates alex at times. Thanks Jaye Palmer
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>Hi, > My name is Jaye (I use my roommates account which is why it says Suzie >A. Anderson on the post) We just moved into a new apartment, we have a 5 >year old Cocker-Rott mix who is fixed and has all her current shots, our >neighbor upstairs has a lab-sharpei mix who is just over a year old, >isn’t fixed and has NOT had ANY shots whatsoever! The mother of the girl >who she lives with is a Jahova’s Witness and does NOT believe in >vaccinations (didn’t even give her kids vaccinations as far as Alex the >daughter can remember) so she (the mother) REFUSES to let Alex get Xen >her shots! > I’m trying to convince Alex (who is almost 18) to have the vet who >makes house calls come and give xen her shots.
ARGUUUUUUUUUUUGHHHHHHHH!!!!!! People NEVER cease to amaze me! Sorry about the shouting, but as a licensed vet tech who has seen the results of these "don’t vaccinate" owners, I just couldn’t restrain myself. > For the moment Xen and Sparky (my dog) don’t get along, and I’m afraid >to let them "duke it out so to speak" in case Xen bites Sparky! ANY >suggestions would be helpful, please post your responses.
Do NOT, EVER, let these two dogs get together again. The risk of contamination from diseases such as distemper, parvovirus, etc, not to mention rabies (God forbid), is just to horrific to contemplate. Even though your dog is fully vaccinated, NO vaccine is 100% effective, there’s still some risk, especially with close, prolonged contact. You, as well, should consider the risks of inter-acting with this dog. Please, don’t put your dog, or yourself at risk because of someone else’s idiocy. I don’t know the laws in Alaska, but here in NY it is a MANDATORY STATE LAW that ALL domestic animals be vaccinated for rabies. Licensing of dogs is also mandatory and you can’t get a license without showing proof of vaccination. Check with your town hall (or equivalent) to see what the laws are regarding licensing. If such laws do exist, you may want to call your local enforcement agency to report an un-licensed dog. Then, the choice would remain to either vaccinate, or give the dog up….just a thought. Also Xen has a >bad habit of chewing on EVERYTHING including YOU! I understand she’s >still a puppy, but it gets annoying. She has a training (spike) collar >on most of the time with the leash attached, if you try and shorten her >leash ie hold it or put your foot down on it to get her to lay down or >stay in one spot, she starts this muffled growl that will usually turn >into a bark, she’ll also bend her head down and try and chew on your hand >to get you to let go of the leash.
I can’t believe these collars still exist…they should be banned. No doubt, your neighbor probably enforces corrections too strongly, causing the dog to not only feel pain at the correction, but to now anticipate and associate the pain with the collar/leash. On a side note, tell your neighbor (even though she probably won’t listen) that leaving a leash on an unrestrained dog where it can hook up on something (or OVER something) can cause serious injury (and in the case of some…death by hanging) to this dog. > Alex can’t leave her at home because she’ll destroy the house, she’s >too big for her crate so crating is out and this is winter in Alaska so >leaving her tied out front is out too, so Alex brings her with her up to >the university or basically anywhere she needs to go and leaves her in >the truck, this is the way alex was able to potty train her. Don’t think >she can afford professional training and she really loves this dog even >though xen frustrates alex at times.
I’m not sure that leaving the dog for long periods of time in the truck is any better, but I sympathize with Alex’s plight. Anyway, good luck, and hope things work out…for everyone’s benefit, including Xen’s Michelle R. Lewis, LVT
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I just got a kitten, Max, for my birthday last month. He was vet > checked, leukemia tested and has had his first shots. Just curious as > to what comes next in the way of vet visits. Anyone know when his nest > shots should be given? > His next shots should be in about a month. What I’d do — if you > haven’t already — is schedule a visit with a good vet now, rather > than wait; then the vet can check Max over for any missed signs of > ill-health. If Max has only been checked for FeLV (feline leuke- > mia) he must be checked for FIV (feline immunodeficiency virus). > You should also take in a faecal sample, to check for parasites. > If Max is from a shelter, I’d have them check especially for coc- > cidia, which can "hide" for awhile and then proliferate suddenly > when the cat is under stress. If you take notes ahead of time, > it would help, too. Is Max’s appetite good? Does he have gas, or > diarrhea? That sort of thing. > Then you can ask the vet about Max’s vaccination schedule, and > when the best time to geld him would be. > Stacy Scott
Thanks for the info Stacy. I have one question, what is FIV? That’s a new one since I last had a cat. Terra
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> >Thanks for the info Stacy. I have one question, what is FIV? That’s a >new one since I last had a cat. Terra > FIV is the feline form of AIDS or HIV.
What are the symptoms, how do they get it? Is it treatable, preventable? Terra
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>Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav >X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SYMPA (Win95; U) >Path: newsserver.dircon.co.uk!peer1.news.dircon. >net!btnet-feed2!easynet-uk!news.mite.net!theplanet.net!su-news-hub1. >bbnplanet.co Xref: newsserver.dircon.co.uk rec.pets.cats. >> >Thanks for the info Stacy. I have one question, what is FIV? >>That’s a >new one since I last had a cat. Terra >> FIV is the feline form of AIDS or HIV. >What are the symptoms, how do they get it? Is it treatable, >preventable? Terra The symptoms ar generally vague at first (wounds slow to heal, dairrhoea, vomiting, lethargy, weight loss, swollen glands, etc) Eventually, the cat gets very ill with something that a healthy cat would be able to fight off (in the same way that a person with AIDS can die from pneumonia as a result of a cold). It is transmitted through blood and saliva (but in lower levels, I think) and possibly in low levels in the urine and faeces. Once a cat is infected, there is no treatment which will get rid of the virus, although cats can have supportive treatment for the illnesses that they suffer (antibiotics to help with wound healing, etc). There is no vaccine, and the only way to prevent a cat from becoming infected is to limit contact with other cats who may be infected, a good reason for getting your cats neutered (this will reduce the chance of them fighting or becoming infected from sex with an FIV cat [ from saliva])
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> I just got a kitten, Max, for my birthday last month. He was vet > checked, leukemia tested and has had his first shots. Just curious as > to what comes next in the way of vet visits. Anyone know when his nest > shots should be given? Thanks, Terra
Per the Cat Owner’s Veterinary Handbook: 6 to 8 weeks old — Panleukopenia, Rhinotracheitis & Calicivirus (FVRCP)(Usually given in one shot) 12 weeks old — 2nd FVRCP; 1st Feline Leukemia (FeLV) 16 weeks old — Rabies; 2nd FeLV; 3rd FVRCP 15 to 16 months old & annually — FVRCP; FeLV; Rabies (if one year vaccine is initially used)
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I just got a kitten, Max, for my birthday last month. He was vet checked, leukemia tested and has had his first shots. Just curious as to what comes next in the way of vet visits. Anyone know when his nest shots should be given? Thanks, Terra
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As Jan mentioned, check with your vet for the vacc schedule. Not all vets use the same schedule. For instance my kittens got their FVRCPC vaccs at three week intervals starting at 6 weeks (their mom was not vaccinated so we wanted to cover all bases). Their rabies was this week at 16 wks and their FeLV will be at 6 months (at least 2 vaccs, 3 weeks apart) after they are tested. >Check with your vet for their shot schedule. My vet had me bring my >little rescue boy in again 2 weeks after his 1st shot for a booster >and then a month after his 2nd shot for the last booster. Shots are >yearly from now on.
– Andrea aka Cheshire Cat
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I was wondering if anyone had an opinion about how many times a vet > should be allowed to stick a dog for a blood test before enough is > enough? I am more understanding when it is my MinPin who screams and > hollers and squirms when it is done and then she bleeds quite a bit after > because her heart it pumping so hard. But the Schipperke is another > story. The first time she ever had it done (two years ago) she screamed > and wiggled and blood went everywhere and the vet had to bandage it. We > didn’t know if she would ever let a vet do it again, but with age she > mellowed and last spring it was time for her heart worm blood test. We > warned the vet she may not cooperate because of the bad experience, > although the past couple she had, the dog just showed a mild fear and > settled. The test started with me holding her and the vet went for a > vein and missed. After that I didn’t even have to do anything but keep a > hand on her as the vet tried three more times before getting a good > sample. The dog has wiggly veins. I wasn’t sure what to do in that > situation. Sugar took it like a champ (martyr is more like it) My gut > feeling after was to tell the vet "No test today" after the second
attempt. A few other comments came to mind too but they > aren’t worth repeating. Does anyone with experience in these things have > any input on this. I know that kind of thing happens to humans too, but > when is it time to say ENOUGH and safe a living thing pain and aggrivation?
Being one of the humans who has this problem (I even had a technician turn green stabbing me so many times to get blood), I have to say that it isn’t really that bad. It probably bothered you more than your dog.
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I was wondering if anyone had an opinion about how many times a vet should be allowed to stick a dog for a blood test before enough is enough? I am more understanding when it is my MinPin who screams and hollers and squirms when it is done and then she bleeds quite a bit after because her heart it pumping so hard. But the Schipperke is another story. The first time she ever had it done (two years ago) she screamed and wiggled and blood went everywhere and the vet had to bandage it. We didn’t know if she would ever let a vet do it again, but with age she mellowed and last spring it was time for her heart worm blood test. We warned the vet she may not cooperate because of the bad experience, although the past couple she had, the dog just showed a mild fear and settled. The test started with me holding her and the vet went for a vein and missed. After that I didn’t even have to do anything but keep a hand on her as the vet tried three more times before getting a good sample. The dog has wiggly veins. I wasn’t sure what to do in that situation. Sugar took it like a champ (martyr is more like it) My gut feeling after was to tell the vet "No test today" after the second attempt. A few other comments came to mind too but they aren’t worth repeating. Does anyone with experience in these things have any input on this. I know that kind of thing happens to humans too, but when is it time to say ENOUGH and safe a living thing pain and aggrivation?
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>.. Does anyone with experience in these things have >any input on this. I know that kind of thing happens to humans too, but >when is it time to say ENOUGH and safe a living thing pain and aggrivation?
Well, like you said, some dogs are just plain hard to hit a vein on. I guess it depends on how important the bloodwork is. Personally, if I can’t hit the vein in 3-4 sticks, I’ll either ask someone else to try (if in a clinic sitution) or maybe switch legs. (Some dogs seem to be right handed, I swear…) Still, I think it’s probably a lot more traumatic for you than the dog. Maybe you should have someone else hold the dog. –CMNewell, DVM "The cat is washing in the hall/The dog is by the fire Since you cannot have it all/Pick your true desire"–R.Hunter
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>> I was wondering if anyone had an opinion about how many times a vet > should be allowed to stick a dog for a blood test before enough is > enough?
I realize this thread is ancient by now, but I wanted to put my 2c in. I used to have this problem myself with blood being taken from my arm. Sometimes I would be near fainting by the time they got the blood. When I got pregnant, I knew I would be in for numerous bloodlettings, so I got to thinking about it. They almost always stuck my left arm, assuming I guess that I would prefer that, being right handed. I asked them to try the right arm first, and lo, and behold, no problem ever again! Maybe the vet could try a different side than usual? Kathy Crosby
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I just got a kitten, Max, for my birthday last month. He was vet > checked, leukemia tested and has had his first shots. Just curious as > to what comes next in the way of vet visits. Anyone know when his nest > shots should be given? > His next shots should be in about a month. What I’d do — if you > haven’t already — is schedule a visit with a good vet now, rather > than wait; then the vet can check Max over for any missed signs of > ill-health. If Max has only been checked for FeLV (feline leuke- > mia) he must be checked for FIV (feline immunodeficiency virus). > You should also take in a faecal sample, to check for parasites. > If Max is from a shelter, I’d have them check especially for coc- > cidia, which can "hide" for awhile and then proliferate suddenly > when the cat is under stress. If you take notes ahead of time, > it would help, too. Is Max’s appetite good? Does he have gas, or > diarrhea? That sort of thing. > Then you can ask the vet about Max’s vaccination schedule, and > when the best time to geld him would be. > Stacy Scott
Thanks for the info Stacy. I have one question, what is FIV? That’s a new one since I last had a cat. Terra
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> >Thanks for the info Stacy. I have one question, what is FIV? That’s a >new one since I last had a cat. Terra > FIV is the feline form of AIDS or HIV.
What are the symptoms, how do they get it? Is it treatable, preventable? Terra
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>Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav >X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SYMPA (Win95; U) >Path: newsserver.dircon.co.uk!peer1.news.dircon. >net!btnet-feed2!easynet-uk!news.mite.net!theplanet.net!su-news-hub1. >bbnplanet.co Xref: newsserver.dircon.co.uk rec.pets.cats. >> >Thanks for the info Stacy. I have one question, what is FIV? >>That’s a >new one since I last had a cat. Terra >> FIV is the feline form of AIDS or HIV. >What are the symptoms, how do they get it? Is it treatable, >preventable? Terra The symptoms ar generally vague at first (wounds slow to heal, dairrhoea, vomiting, lethargy, weight loss, swollen glands, etc) Eventually, the cat gets very ill with something that a healthy cat would be able to fight off (in the same way that a person with AIDS can die from pneumonia as a result of a cold). It is transmitted through blood and saliva (but in lower levels, I think) and possibly in low levels in the urine and faeces. Once a cat is infected, there is no treatment which will get rid of the virus, although cats can have supportive treatment for the illnesses that they suffer (antibiotics to help with wound healing, etc). There is no vaccine, and the only way to prevent a cat from becoming infected is to limit contact with other cats who may be infected, a good reason for getting your cats neutered (this will reduce the chance of them fighting or becoming infected from sex with an FIV cat [ from saliva])
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> I just got a kitten, Max, for my birthday last month. He was vet > checked, leukemia tested and has had his first shots. Just curious as > to what comes next in the way of vet visits. Anyone know when his nest > shots should be given? Thanks, Terra
Per the Cat Owner’s Veterinary Handbook: 6 to 8 weeks old — Panleukopenia, Rhinotracheitis & Calicivirus (FVRCP)(Usually given in one shot) 12 weeks old — 2nd FVRCP; 1st Feline Leukemia (FeLV) 16 weeks old — Rabies; 2nd FeLV; 3rd FVRCP 15 to 16 months old & annually — FVRCP; FeLV; Rabies (if one year vaccine is initially used)
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I just got a kitten, Max, for my birthday last month. He was vet checked, leukemia tested and has had his first shots. Just curious as to what comes next in the way of vet visits. Anyone know when his nest shots should be given? Thanks, Terra
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As Jan mentioned, check with your vet for the vacc schedule. Not all vets use the same schedule. For instance my kittens got their FVRCPC vaccs at three week intervals starting at 6 weeks (their mom was not vaccinated so we wanted to cover all bases). Their rabies was this week at 16 wks and their FeLV will be at 6 months (at least 2 vaccs, 3 weeks apart) after they are tested. >Check with your vet for their shot schedule. My vet had me bring my >little rescue boy in again 2 weeks after his 1st shot for a booster >and then a month after his 2nd shot for the last booster. Shots are >yearly from now on.
– Andrea aka Cheshire Cat
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I was wondering if anyone had an opinion about how many times a vet > should be allowed to stick a dog for a blood test before enough is > enough? I am more understanding when it is my MinPin who screams and > hollers and squirms when it is done and then she bleeds quite a bit after > because her heart it pumping so hard. But the Schipperke is another > story. The first time she ever had it done (two years ago) she screamed > and wiggled and blood went everywhere and the vet had to bandage it. We > didn’t know if she would ever let a vet do it again, but with age she > mellowed and last spring it was time for her heart worm blood test. We > warned the vet she may not cooperate because of the bad experience, > although the past couple she had, the dog just showed a mild fear and > settled. The test started with me holding her and the vet went for a > vein and missed. After that I didn’t even have to do anything but keep a > hand on her as the vet tried three more times before getting a good > sample. The dog has wiggly veins. I wasn’t sure what to do in that > situation. Sugar took it like a champ (martyr is more like it) My gut > feeling after was to tell the vet "No test today" after the second
attempt. A few other comments came to mind too but they > aren’t worth repeating. Does anyone with experience in these things have > any input on this. I know that kind of thing happens to humans too, but > when is it time to say ENOUGH and safe a living thing pain and aggrivation?
Being one of the humans who has this problem (I even had a technician turn green stabbing me so many times to get blood), I have to say that it isn’t really that bad. It probably bothered you more than your dog.
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I was wondering if anyone had an opinion about how many times a vet should be allowed to stick a dog for a blood test before enough is enough? I am more understanding when it is my MinPin who screams and hollers and squirms when it is done and then she bleeds quite a bit after because her heart it pumping so hard. But the Schipperke is another story. The first time she ever had it done (two years ago) she screamed and wiggled and blood went everywhere and the vet had to bandage it. We didn’t know if she would ever let a vet do it again, but with age she mellowed and last spring it was time for her heart worm blood test. We warned the vet she may not cooperate because of the bad experience, although the past couple she had, the dog just showed a mild fear and settled. The test started with me holding her and the vet went for a vein and missed. After that I didn’t even have to do anything but keep a hand on her as the vet tried three more times before getting a good sample. The dog has wiggly veins. I wasn’t sure what to do in that situation. Sugar took it like a champ (martyr is more like it) My gut feeling after was to tell the vet "No test today" after the second attempt. A few other comments came to mind too but they aren’t worth repeating. Does anyone with experience in these things have any input on this. I know that kind of thing happens to humans too, but when is it time to say ENOUGH and safe a living thing pain and aggrivation?
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>.. Does anyone with experience in these things have >any input on this. I know that kind of thing happens to humans too, but >when is it time to say ENOUGH and safe a living thing pain and aggrivation?
Well, like you said, some dogs are just plain hard to hit a vein on. I guess it depends on how important the bloodwork is. Personally, if I can’t hit the vein in 3-4 sticks, I’ll either ask someone else to try (if in a clinic sitution) or maybe switch legs. (Some dogs seem to be right handed, I swear…) Still, I think it’s probably a lot more traumatic for you than the dog. Maybe you should have someone else hold the dog. –CMNewell, DVM "The cat is washing in the hall/The dog is by the fire Since you cannot have it all/Pick your true desire"–R.Hunter
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>> I was wondering if anyone had an opinion about how many times a vet > should be allowed to stick a dog for a blood test before enough is > enough?
I realize this thread is ancient by now, but I wanted to put my 2c in. I used to have this problem myself with blood being taken from my arm. Sometimes I would be near fainting by the time they got the blood. When I got pregnant, I knew I would be in for numerous bloodlettings, so I got to thinking about it. They almost always stuck my left arm, assuming I guess that I would prefer that, being right handed. I asked them to try the right arm first, and lo, and behold, no problem ever again! Maybe the vet could try a different side than usual? Kathy Crosby
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