Over the counter UPJOHN de-wormer OK ??
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> From this group, it could be surmised that all kittens get worms and > should be dewormed.
No, not all kittens get worms.
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> Actually, as a parallegal I fix papers that they (attys) F* up.
You can’t even spell paralegal and we’re supposed to believe you are smart enough to be one? LOL!!
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Actually my vets all say that they *can* be fatal! The dosage in them is wrong, and when treating a cat, you have to have the EXACT dosage! Too much, even from a vet, could kill them. Do what you want, it’s obvious that you don’t want to hear the truth. And Bullshit you’re a legal assistant of any sort. ~~Rechelle – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Maybe vets do need more business. But again, why would pet owners be > trying > to drum up business for vets? OTC wormers are ineffective and you > need to > know what kind of worm you are treating. What is so hard to > understand > about that? > To say that "OTC wormers are ineffective" as a blanket statement is > silly – where did you get that information? I’ll bet it wasn’t from a > vet. > To say things authoritatively without the expertise (or reference) is > poor judgment. What is so hard to understand about that ? > > > Why would we (as most of us are cat owners, not vets) be trying to > > generate > > > business? > > Maybe vets need more business – I dont know. Lawyers used to insist > > that one hire a lawyer for a simple divorce – now those same lawyers > > sell kits in book stores for 20 bucks. > > >The reason for having the vet give meds for deworming is because > > > they need to determine what type of worm the cat has to decide on > the > > > correct medication. OTC wormers are largely ineffective and some > of > > them > > > are even dangerous. And there is no OTC medication for tapeworm. > > A lot of folks have made the claim that OTC’s are "dangerous", etc., > > but NO ONE has shown any evidence (research, articles, anything > written > > at all) to support those claims. Sounds like a lot of people > > repeating each other. I remember when Tagamet was Rx only (& many > > others, as well), and now it is available in every store in every > city. > > I remember when the AMA said herbal supplements were dangerous – and > > most (almost all) of those claims were groundless speculation, > > just "docters" repeating one another. Some docs still claim herbals > are > > dangerous in general, which of course is just plain silly. > > I was hoping for more informative replies to my query, not just > repeats > > of past posts. If anyone has supported claims I would love to hear > > them – I am sure most pet owners would benefit from them as well. > > > > I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the > > vet’s > > > > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > > > > SO, I have to ask: > > > > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de > worm my > > > > kitten and adult cat ?? > > > > Thanks in advance!! > > > > – A concerned pet owner! > > Before you buy. > Before you buy.
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> What is wrong with simply *asking* for some evidence or supportive > information for a claim? I ask simply because so many people here have > made the same claims. You obviously take everything everyone says at > face value. What a moron!
Did I or did I not say that I had tried OTC products myself? Did I or did I not suggest that perhaps we were making the same claims because we have all had similar experiences with these products? Does that not suggest that maybe, just maybe, there might be some validity to what we are telling you? We are cat owners, not researchers and not vets. Our experience is pretty much what we have to go on (which is why so many of us advice posters so frequently to consult a vet for the answer to their questions or problems). If that’s not good enough for you, you’re in the wrong newsgroup. BTW, when it comes to cat health, the only person whose advice I take at face value is my vet’s, and I don’t always even do that. I sure as shit don’t take what I read *here* at face value. > Great. A genuine hypochondriac.
I am the *least* hypochondriacal person I know. But thanks for the clever, perceptive insight. Well, here’s an insight for you: You’re a snotty little jerk who is only interested in an answer when it’s what you want to hear. *plonk*
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> Actually, as a parallegal I fix papers that they (attys) F* up.
You wouldn’t by any chance be related to Kelly, would you?
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And yes, I’ve been told by vets that OTC wormers don’t work and can be dangerous. I’ve got plenty of experience in feline health issues. I’ve got 12 cats and they are all well cared for and healthy. I’ve been through my share of different types of worms when I adopted them, or when I fostered moms and babies. So my knowledge is earned and I DO know what I’m talking about. It’s time for the killfile for you.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Maybe vets do need more business. But again, why would pet owners be > trying > to drum up business for vets? OTC wormers are ineffective and you > need to > know what kind of worm you are treating. What is so hard to > understand > about that? > To say that "OTC wormers are ineffective" as a blanket statement is > silly – where did you get that information? I’ll bet it wasn’t from a > vet. > To say things authoritatively without the expertise (or reference) is > poor judgment. What is so hard to understand about that ? > > > Why would we (as most of us are cat owners, not vets) be trying to > > generate > > > business? > > Maybe vets need more business – I dont know. Lawyers used to insist > > that one hire a lawyer for a simple divorce – now those same lawyers > > sell kits in book stores for 20 bucks. > > >The reason for having the vet give meds for deworming is because > > > they need to determine what type of worm the cat has to decide on > the > > > correct medication. OTC wormers are largely ineffective and some > of > > them > > > are even dangerous. And there is no OTC medication for tapeworm. > > A lot of folks have made the claim that OTC’s are "dangerous", etc., > > but NO ONE has shown any evidence (research, articles, anything > written > > at all) to support those claims. Sounds like a lot of people > > repeating each other. I remember when Tagamet was Rx only (& many > > others, as well), and now it is available in every store in every > city. > > I remember when the AMA said herbal supplements were dangerous – and > > most (almost all) of those claims were groundless speculation, > > just "docters" repeating one another. Some docs still claim herbals > are > > dangerous in general, which of course is just plain silly. > > I was hoping for more informative replies to my query, not just > repeats > > of past posts. If anyone has supported claims I would love to hear > > them – I am sure most pet owners would benefit from them as well. > > > > I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the > > vet’s > > > > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > > > > SO, I have to ask: > > > > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de > worm my > > > > kitten and adult cat ?? > > > > Thanks in advance!! > > > > – A concerned pet owner! > > Before you buy. > Before you buy.
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> > I remember when Tagamet was Rx only (& many > others, as well), and now it is available in every store in every city. > The prescription Tagamet is much stronger than what you buy over the > counter.
Hmmm. Let’s see…By your kind of reasoning…Prescription Tagamet is much more likely to kill me then…. because it’s stronger. > You want to waste your money on OTC meds for your cat, that’s your > choice. You want to take a chance with your cat’s live to save a few > bucks, that’s also your choice. The OTC counters that I used way in the > past were useless.
How long ago was this? Before you buy.
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> Bub – > You got appropriate and informative answers re OTC wormers. > Regarding the legal equivalent – those kits you can buy in bookstores – I > cannot tell you how many totally-effed-up results I have tried to undo that > were caused by people using the kits who were reasonable and intelligent but > did not know what they were doing.
Maybe they used *your* kind of reasoning 
> OTC wormers will do you just as good a job – that is, there’s not a real good > chance of giving a good result and there’s a fair chance of giving you a very > very bad result. > Why did you name yourself "legal eagle" when your opinion of attorneys is poor? > Is your self-esteem so poor that you wannabee something you despise?
Actually, as a parallegal I fix papers that they (attys) F* up. > ( …okay, who gets to come out of my killfile in order to make room for this > twit …)
Now, now. Name calling Miss Kitty – when you have no substance, I guess that’s all you can offer us > MsKitty
With your level of intelligence – I pray for your clients. Before you buy.
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OTC wormers are ineffective because they don’t work! It’s a fact whether you want to believe it or not. Why do you think they tell you to treat monthly? It should only take 1 or 2 treatments total (depending on the worm). If you don’t like the answers you get here, then don’t ask them asshole.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Maybe vets do need more business. But again, why would pet owners be > trying > to drum up business for vets? OTC wormers are ineffective and you > need to > know what kind of worm you are treating. What is so hard to > understand > about that? > To say that "OTC wormers are ineffective" as a blanket statement is > silly – where did you get that information? I’ll bet it wasn’t from a > vet. > To say things authoritatively without the expertise (or reference) is > poor judgment. What is so hard to understand about that ? > > > Why would we (as most of us are cat owners, not vets) be trying to > > generate > > > business? > > Maybe vets need more business – I dont know. Lawyers used to insist > > that one hire a lawyer for a simple divorce – now those same lawyers > > sell kits in book stores for 20 bucks. > > >The reason for having the vet give meds for deworming is because > > > they need to determine what type of worm the cat has to decide on > the > > > correct medication. OTC wormers are largely ineffective and some > of > > them > > > are even dangerous. And there is no OTC medication for tapeworm. > > A lot of folks have made the claim that OTC’s are "dangerous", etc., > > but NO ONE has shown any evidence (research, articles, anything > written > > at all) to support those claims. Sounds like a lot of people > > repeating each other. I remember when Tagamet was Rx only (& many > > others, as well), and now it is available in every store in every > city. > > I remember when the AMA said herbal supplements were dangerous – and > > most (almost all) of those claims were groundless speculation, > > just "docters" repeating one another. Some docs still claim herbals > are > > dangerous in general, which of course is just plain silly. > > I was hoping for more informative replies to my query, not just > repeats > > of past posts. If anyone has supported claims I would love to hear > > them – I am sure most pet owners would benefit from them as well. > > > > I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the > > vet’s > > > > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > > > > SO, I have to ask: > > > > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de > worm my > > > > kitten and adult cat ?? > > > > Thanks in advance!! > > > > – A concerned pet owner! > > Before you buy. > Before you buy.
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> > A lot of folks have made the claim that OTC’s are "dangerous", etc., > but NO ONE has shown any evidence (research, articles, anything written > at all) to support those claims. > Well ex-cuuuuuuuze us. If you want research, go ask this question on > alt.med.veterinary, maybe one of the vets over there has nothing better to > do than look stuff up for you. Or look it up yourself.
What is wrong with simply *asking* for some evidence or supportive information for a claim? I ask simply because so many people here have made the same claims. You obviously take everything everyone says at face value. What a moron! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sounds like a lot of people > repeating each other. > Perhaps that’s because we’ve all had similar experiences. I’ve tried the > OTC dewormers in the past. They didn’t work, but what I got from my vet > *did* work. I’ve tried several OTC flea control products. Some of them > worked, some didn’t, and some were so toxic that they made me *and* my cats > sick. If I get within 10 feet of an OTC flea collar like the ones you buy > at grocery stores, I get so sick from the fumes coming off that thing that I > can barely function.
Great. A genuine hypochondriac. >But if you aren’t interested in anecdotal evidence, > fine – don’t take my word for it, or anyone else’s.
Before you buy.
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> Maybe vets do need more business. But again, why would pet owners be trying > to drum up business for vets? OTC wormers are ineffective and you need to > know what kind of worm you are treating. What is so hard to understand > about that?
To say that "OTC wormers are ineffective" as a blanket statement is silly – where did you get that information? I’ll bet it wasn’t from a vet. To say things authoritatively without the expertise (or reference) is poor judgment. What is so hard to understand about that ? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Why would we (as most of us are cat owners, not vets) be trying to > generate > > business? > Maybe vets need more business – I dont know. Lawyers used to insist > that one hire a lawyer for a simple divorce – now those same lawyers > sell kits in book stores for 20 bucks. > >The reason for having the vet give meds for deworming is because > > they need to determine what type of worm the cat has to decide on the > > correct medication. OTC wormers are largely ineffective and some of > them > > are even dangerous. And there is no OTC medication for tapeworm. > A lot of folks have made the claim that OTC’s are "dangerous", etc., > but NO ONE has shown any evidence (research, articles, anything written > at all) to support those claims. Sounds like a lot of people > repeating each other. I remember when Tagamet was Rx only (& many > others, as well), and now it is available in every store in every city. > I remember when the AMA said herbal supplements were dangerous – and > most (almost all) of those claims were groundless speculation, > just "docters" repeating one another. Some docs still claim herbals are > dangerous in general, which of course is just plain silly. > I was hoping for more informative replies to my query, not just repeats > of past posts. If anyone has supported claims I would love to hear > them – I am sure most pet owners would benefit from them as well. > > > I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the > vet’s > > > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > > > SO, I have to ask: > > > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > > > kitten and adult cat ?? > > > Thanks in advance!! > > > – A concerned pet owner! > Before you buy.
Before you buy.
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Maybe vets do need more business. But again, why would pet owners be trying to drum up business for vets? OTC wormers are ineffective and you need to know what kind of worm you are treating. What is so hard to understand about that?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Why would we (as most of us are cat owners, not vets) be trying to > generate > business? > Maybe vets need more business – I dont know. Lawyers used to insist > that one hire a lawyer for a simple divorce – now those same lawyers > sell kits in book stores for 20 bucks. >The reason for having the vet give meds for deworming is because > they need to determine what type of worm the cat has to decide on the > correct medication. OTC wormers are largely ineffective and some of > them > are even dangerous. And there is no OTC medication for tapeworm. > A lot of folks have made the claim that OTC’s are "dangerous", etc., > but NO ONE has shown any evidence (research, articles, anything written > at all) to support those claims. Sounds like a lot of people > repeating each other. I remember when Tagamet was Rx only (& many > others, as well), and now it is available in every store in every city. > I remember when the AMA said herbal supplements were dangerous – and > most (almost all) of those claims were groundless speculation, > just "docters" repeating one another. Some docs still claim herbals are > dangerous in general, which of course is just plain silly. > I was hoping for more informative replies to my query, not just repeats > of past posts. If anyone has supported claims I would love to hear > them – I am sure most pet owners would benefit from them as well. > > I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the > vet’s > > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > > SO, I have to ask: > > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > > kitten and adult cat ?? > > Thanks in advance!! > > – A concerned pet owner! > Before you buy.
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> I remember when Tagamet was Rx only (& many > others, as well), and now it is available in every store in every city.
The prescription Tagamet is much stronger than what you buy over the counter. You want to waste your money on OTC meds for your cat, that’s your choice. You want to take a chance with your cat’s live to save a few bucks, that’s also your choice. The OTC counters that I used way in the past were useless. I’d rather take the cat to the vet and get the correct product for the type of worm the cat has and be done with it once and for all. But that’s me. It wouldn’t be mine. — lisaviolet~~proprietor a sample of what you will find at the best little cathouse in cyberspace cathouse : http://www.lisaviolet.com/ live cam 1: http://www.lisaviolet.com/camera/webcam.html live cam 2: http://www.lisaviolet.com/bensden/weather/wx.htm free games: http://www.lisaviolet.com/ben/ free cards: http://www.lisaviolet.com/postcards/ free email: http://www.lisaviolet.com/email.html
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>I was hoping for more informative replies to my query, not just repeats >of past posts. If anyone has supported claims I would love to hear >them – I am sure most pet owners would benefit from them as well.
I am not claiming that OTC dewormers are necessarily dangerous. But before considering one, I’d ask these questions: How do you know your cat has worms? How do you know what kind of worms it has? What is the proper de-wormer and best dosage for this infestation? I don’t know about you, but I need to take a stool sample to my vet to be examined to find out whether my cat needs deworming and if so, what kind of worm she has. I would also then rather have my vet administer a one-time only injection rather than try to force my cat to take a series of OTC pills. I think the problem with OTC dewormers is that often those who use them are trying to diagnose and treat a problem that either doesn’t exist or is incorrect for the actual parasite. yngver (delete "nojunk" to e-mail)
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Bub – You got appropriate and informative answers re OTC wormers. Regarding the legal equivalent – those kits you can buy in bookstores – I cannot tell you how many totally-effed-up results I have tried to undo that were caused by people using the kits who were reasonable and intelligent but did not know what they were doing. OTC wormers will do you just as good a job – that is, there’s not a real good chance of giving a good result and there’s a fair chance of giving you a very very bad result. Why did you name yourself "legal eagle" when your opinion of attorneys is poor? Is your self-esteem so poor that you wannabee something you despise? ( …okay, who gets to come out of my killfile in order to make room for this twit …) MsKitty
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Just to add one thing. I don’t know of a single over the counter de-wormer that treats tape worms either. Gene
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the vet’s > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > Since there are few, if any, vets on this newsgroup (that I know of > anyway) – and since we generally wouldn’t have any way of knowing which vet > anyone would be taking their cat to – how exactly is this ‘generating > business’? > We tell people to take their cats to a vet because if a cat is sick or > injured, it can only be properly diagnosed and treated by a qualified vet. > It’s really as simple as that. > SO, I have to ask: > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > kitten and adult cat ?? > In a sense it depends upon what you are buying, and which counter you are > buying over. The stuff in grocery stores is crap, no matter who makes it – > it doesn’t work and half the time it’s toxic. Sometimes you can buy decent > products at the better pet supply stores – i.e. food, vitamin supplements, > certain grooming products. But frankly, *anything* that smacks of > "medicine" – including de-wormers – is something that I am *only* going to > get from a vet. The pet supply store where I do all my shopping won’t even > carry OTC de-wormers because the owner does not feel she can honestly > recommend any of them.
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> A lot of folks have made the claim that OTC’s are "dangerous", etc., > but NO ONE has shown any evidence (research, articles, anything written > at all) to support those claims.
Well ex-cuuuuuuuze us. If you want research, go ask this question on alt.med.veterinary, maybe one of the vets over there has nothing better to do than look stuff up for you. Or look it up yourself. > Sounds like a lot of people > repeating each other.
Perhaps that’s because we’ve all had similar experiences. I’ve tried the OTC dewormers in the past. They didn’t work, but what I got from my vet *did* work. I’ve tried several OTC flea control products. Some of them worked, some didn’t, and some were so toxic that they made me *and* my cats sick. If I get within 10 feet of an OTC flea collar like the ones you buy at grocery stores, I get so sick from the fumes coming off that thing that I can barely function. But if you aren’t interested in anecdotal evidence, fine – don’t take my word for it, or anyone else’s.
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> Why would we (as most of us are cat owners, not vets) be trying to generate > business?
Maybe vets need more business – I dont know. Lawyers used to insist that one hire a lawyer for a simple divorce – now those same lawyers sell kits in book stores for 20 bucks. >The reason for having the vet give meds for deworming is because > they need to determine what type of worm the cat has to decide on the > correct medication. OTC wormers are largely ineffective and some of them > are even dangerous. And there is no OTC medication for tapeworm.
A lot of folks have made the claim that OTC’s are "dangerous", etc., but NO ONE has shown any evidence (research, articles, anything written at all) to support those claims. Sounds like a lot of people repeating each other. I remember when Tagamet was Rx only (& many others, as well), and now it is available in every store in every city. I remember when the AMA said herbal supplements were dangerous – and most (almost all) of those claims were groundless speculation, just "docters" repeating one another. Some docs still claim herbals are dangerous in general, which of course is just plain silly. I was hoping for more informative replies to my query, not just repeats of past posts. If anyone has supported claims I would love to hear them – I am sure most pet owners would benefit from them as well. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the vet’s > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > SO, I have to ask: > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > kitten and adult cat ?? > Thanks in advance!! > – A concerned pet owner!
Before you buy.
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Why would we (as most of us are cat owners, not vets) be trying to generate business? The reason for having the vet give meds for deworming is because they need to determine what type of worm the cat has to decide on the correct medication. OTC wormers are largely ineffective and some of them are even dangerous. And there is no OTC medication for tapeworm.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the vet’s > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > SO, I have to ask: > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > kitten and adult cat ?? > Thanks in advance!! > – A concerned pet owner! > Before you buy.
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> I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the vet’s > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me.
Since there are few, if any, vets on this newsgroup (that I know of anyway) – and since we generally wouldn’t have any way of knowing which vet anyone would be taking their cat to – how exactly is this ‘generating business’? We tell people to take their cats to a vet because if a cat is sick or injured, it can only be properly diagnosed and treated by a qualified vet. It’s really as simple as that. > SO, I have to ask: > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > kitten and adult cat ??
In a sense it depends upon what you are buying, and which counter you are buying over. The stuff in grocery stores is crap, no matter who makes it – it doesn’t work and half the time it’s toxic. Sometimes you can buy decent products at the better pet supply stores – i.e. food, vitamin supplements, certain grooming products. But frankly, *anything* that smacks of "medicine" – including de-wormers – is something that I am *only* going to get from a vet. The pet supply store where I do all my shopping won’t even carry OTC de-wormers because the owner does not feel she can honestly recommend any of them.
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Hey we’re just a bunch of cat lovers, not vets! We’re not trying to generate business anywhere. It’s a necessity that animals need medical care, just like humans! I don’t recommend any over the counter deworming products. Many of them are dangerous and/or ineffective. Bring in a stool sample to your vets to be analyzed (it’s relatively cheap!), and he/she will give you the appropriate medication to properly deworm your kitties. Kelly – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the vet’s > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > SO, I have to ask: > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > kitten and adult cat ?? > Thanks in advance!! > – A concerned pet owner! > Before you buy.
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> I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the vet’s > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > SO, I have to ask: > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > kitten and adult cat ?? > Thanks in advance!! > – A concerned pet owner!
Dear concerned, I wouldn’t use an OTC worming product. I’ve heard stories from they didn’t do a darned thing to the pet getting extremely sick from it. I’d rather take the cat to the vet and get the proper wormer for the type of worm the cat has. Better safe than sorry. — lisaviolet~~proprietor a sample of what you will find at the best little cathouse in cyberspace cathouse : http://www.lisaviolet.com/ free games: http://www.lisaviolet.com/ben/ free cards: http://www.lisaviolet.com/postcards/
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I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the vet’s office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. SO, I have to ask: Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my kitten and adult cat ?? Thanks in advance!! – A concerned pet owner! Before you buy.
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> I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the vet’s > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me.
Most of the people here are not vets. Most of the people here are cat owners. When people here say "take your cat to the vet," that’s because your cat needs to see a vet, either because a diagnosis needs to be made in person or because there is no over-the-counter alternative that is safe or effective to give. It’s not about "generating business," but about doing what is best for the cat. > SO, I have to ask: > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > kitten and adult cat ??
I can’t speak from experience, but I know how variable in weight my cats are, and a difference in body weight of a couple of pounds (or in the case of kittens, a couple of ounces) can make the difference between an ineffective dose and an effective one, or an effective dose and a fatal one. My vet weighed my kitten to the ounce before giving her deworming medicine so that the dosage would be right; if the Upjohn products don’t require something similar, then my conclusion would be either that they are not as effective as what my vet uses or that they are more dangerous for the cats. Once again I say, talk to your vet – your vet is the best person to consult for decisions such as that one. Charlton — Charlton Wilbur | Wer bin ich, waer’ ich deine Wille nicht? University of Massachusetts | – Bruennhilde
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> >I was hoping for more informative replies to my query, not just repeats >of past posts. If anyone has supported claims I would love to hear >them – I am sure most pet owners would benefit from them as well. > I am not claiming that OTC dewormers are necessarily dangerous. But before > considering one, I’d ask these questions: > How do you know your cat has worms? How do you know what kind of
worms it has? From this group, it could be surmised that all kittens get worms and should be dewormed. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What is the proper de-wormer and best dosage for this infestation? > I don’t know about you, but I need to take a stool sample to my vet to be > examined to find out whether my cat needs deworming and if so, what kind of > worm she has. I would also then rather have my vet administer a one- time only > injection rather than try to force my cat to take a series of OTC pills. > I think the problem with OTC dewormers is that often those who use them are > trying to diagnose and treat a problem that either doesn’t exist or is > incorrect for the actual parasite. > yngver > (delete "nojunk" to e-mail)
Before you buy.
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> From this group, it could be surmised that all kittens get worms and > should be dewormed.
No, not all kittens get worms.
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> Actually, as a parallegal I fix papers that they (attys) F* up.
You can’t even spell paralegal and we’re supposed to believe you are smart enough to be one? LOL!!
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Actually my vets all say that they *can* be fatal! The dosage in them is wrong, and when treating a cat, you have to have the EXACT dosage! Too much, even from a vet, could kill them. Do what you want, it’s obvious that you don’t want to hear the truth. And Bullshit you’re a legal assistant of any sort. ~~Rechelle – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Maybe vets do need more business. But again, why would pet owners be > trying > to drum up business for vets? OTC wormers are ineffective and you > need to > know what kind of worm you are treating. What is so hard to > understand > about that? > To say that "OTC wormers are ineffective" as a blanket statement is > silly – where did you get that information? I’ll bet it wasn’t from a > vet. > To say things authoritatively without the expertise (or reference) is > poor judgment. What is so hard to understand about that ? > > > Why would we (as most of us are cat owners, not vets) be trying to > > generate > > > business? > > Maybe vets need more business – I dont know. Lawyers used to insist > > that one hire a lawyer for a simple divorce – now those same lawyers > > sell kits in book stores for 20 bucks. > > >The reason for having the vet give meds for deworming is because > > > they need to determine what type of worm the cat has to decide on > the > > > correct medication. OTC wormers are largely ineffective and some > of > > them > > > are even dangerous. And there is no OTC medication for tapeworm. > > A lot of folks have made the claim that OTC’s are "dangerous", etc., > > but NO ONE has shown any evidence (research, articles, anything > written > > at all) to support those claims. Sounds like a lot of people > > repeating each other. I remember when Tagamet was Rx only (& many > > others, as well), and now it is available in every store in every > city. > > I remember when the AMA said herbal supplements were dangerous – and > > most (almost all) of those claims were groundless speculation, > > just "docters" repeating one another. Some docs still claim herbals > are > > dangerous in general, which of course is just plain silly. > > I was hoping for more informative replies to my query, not just > repeats > > of past posts. If anyone has supported claims I would love to hear > > them – I am sure most pet owners would benefit from them as well. > > > > I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the > > vet’s > > > > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > > > > SO, I have to ask: > > > > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de > worm my > > > > kitten and adult cat ?? > > > > Thanks in advance!! > > > > – A concerned pet owner! > > Before you buy. > Before you buy.
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> What is wrong with simply *asking* for some evidence or supportive > information for a claim? I ask simply because so many people here have > made the same claims. You obviously take everything everyone says at > face value. What a moron!
Did I or did I not say that I had tried OTC products myself? Did I or did I not suggest that perhaps we were making the same claims because we have all had similar experiences with these products? Does that not suggest that maybe, just maybe, there might be some validity to what we are telling you? We are cat owners, not researchers and not vets. Our experience is pretty much what we have to go on (which is why so many of us advice posters so frequently to consult a vet for the answer to their questions or problems). If that’s not good enough for you, you’re in the wrong newsgroup. BTW, when it comes to cat health, the only person whose advice I take at face value is my vet’s, and I don’t always even do that. I sure as shit don’t take what I read *here* at face value. > Great. A genuine hypochondriac.
I am the *least* hypochondriacal person I know. But thanks for the clever, perceptive insight. Well, here’s an insight for you: You’re a snotty little jerk who is only interested in an answer when it’s what you want to hear. *plonk*
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> Actually, as a parallegal I fix papers that they (attys) F* up.
You wouldn’t by any chance be related to Kelly, would you?
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And yes, I’ve been told by vets that OTC wormers don’t work and can be dangerous. I’ve got plenty of experience in feline health issues. I’ve got 12 cats and they are all well cared for and healthy. I’ve been through my share of different types of worms when I adopted them, or when I fostered moms and babies. So my knowledge is earned and I DO know what I’m talking about. It’s time for the killfile for you.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Maybe vets do need more business. But again, why would pet owners be > trying > to drum up business for vets? OTC wormers are ineffective and you > need to > know what kind of worm you are treating. What is so hard to > understand > about that? > To say that "OTC wormers are ineffective" as a blanket statement is > silly – where did you get that information? I’ll bet it wasn’t from a > vet. > To say things authoritatively without the expertise (or reference) is > poor judgment. What is so hard to understand about that ? > > > Why would we (as most of us are cat owners, not vets) be trying to > > generate > > > business? > > Maybe vets need more business – I dont know. Lawyers used to insist > > that one hire a lawyer for a simple divorce – now those same lawyers > > sell kits in book stores for 20 bucks. > > >The reason for having the vet give meds for deworming is because > > > they need to determine what type of worm the cat has to decide on > the > > > correct medication. OTC wormers are largely ineffective and some > of > > them > > > are even dangerous. And there is no OTC medication for tapeworm. > > A lot of folks have made the claim that OTC’s are "dangerous", etc., > > but NO ONE has shown any evidence (research, articles, anything > written > > at all) to support those claims. Sounds like a lot of people > > repeating each other. I remember when Tagamet was Rx only (& many > > others, as well), and now it is available in every store in every > city. > > I remember when the AMA said herbal supplements were dangerous – and > > most (almost all) of those claims were groundless speculation, > > just "docters" repeating one another. Some docs still claim herbals > are > > dangerous in general, which of course is just plain silly. > > I was hoping for more informative replies to my query, not just > repeats > > of past posts. If anyone has supported claims I would love to hear > > them – I am sure most pet owners would benefit from them as well. > > > > I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the > > vet’s > > > > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > > > > SO, I have to ask: > > > > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de > worm my > > > > kitten and adult cat ?? > > > > Thanks in advance!! > > > > – A concerned pet owner! > > Before you buy. > Before you buy.
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> > I remember when Tagamet was Rx only (& many > others, as well), and now it is available in every store in every city. > The prescription Tagamet is much stronger than what you buy over the > counter.
Hmmm. Let’s see…By your kind of reasoning…Prescription Tagamet is much more likely to kill me then…. because it’s stronger. > You want to waste your money on OTC meds for your cat, that’s your > choice. You want to take a chance with your cat’s live to save a few > bucks, that’s also your choice. The OTC counters that I used way in the > past were useless.
How long ago was this? Before you buy.
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> Bub – > You got appropriate and informative answers re OTC wormers. > Regarding the legal equivalent – those kits you can buy in bookstores – I > cannot tell you how many totally-effed-up results I have tried to undo that > were caused by people using the kits who were reasonable and intelligent but > did not know what they were doing.
Maybe they used *your* kind of reasoning > OTC wormers will do you just as good a job – that is, there’s not a real good > chance of giving a good result and there’s a fair chance of giving you a very > very bad result. > Why did you name yourself "legal eagle" when your opinion of attorneys is poor? > Is your self-esteem so poor that you wannabee something you despise?
Actually, as a parallegal I fix papers that they (attys) F* up. > ( …okay, who gets to come out of my killfile in order to make room for this > twit …)
Now, now. Name calling Miss Kitty – when you have no substance, I guess that’s all you can offer us > MsKitty
With your level of intelligence – I pray for your clients. Before you buy.
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OTC wormers are ineffective because they don’t work! It’s a fact whether you want to believe it or not. Why do you think they tell you to treat monthly? It should only take 1 or 2 treatments total (depending on the worm). If you don’t like the answers you get here, then don’t ask them asshole.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Maybe vets do need more business. But again, why would pet owners be > trying > to drum up business for vets? OTC wormers are ineffective and you > need to > know what kind of worm you are treating. What is so hard to > understand > about that? > To say that "OTC wormers are ineffective" as a blanket statement is > silly – where did you get that information? I’ll bet it wasn’t from a > vet. > To say things authoritatively without the expertise (or reference) is > poor judgment. What is so hard to understand about that ? > > > Why would we (as most of us are cat owners, not vets) be trying to > > generate > > > business? > > Maybe vets need more business – I dont know. Lawyers used to insist > > that one hire a lawyer for a simple divorce – now those same lawyers > > sell kits in book stores for 20 bucks. > > >The reason for having the vet give meds for deworming is because > > > they need to determine what type of worm the cat has to decide on > the > > > correct medication. OTC wormers are largely ineffective and some > of > > them > > > are even dangerous. And there is no OTC medication for tapeworm. > > A lot of folks have made the claim that OTC’s are "dangerous", etc., > > but NO ONE has shown any evidence (research, articles, anything > written > > at all) to support those claims. Sounds like a lot of people > > repeating each other. I remember when Tagamet was Rx only (& many > > others, as well), and now it is available in every store in every > city. > > I remember when the AMA said herbal supplements were dangerous – and > > most (almost all) of those claims were groundless speculation, > > just "docters" repeating one another. Some docs still claim herbals > are > > dangerous in general, which of course is just plain silly. > > I was hoping for more informative replies to my query, not just > repeats > > of past posts. If anyone has supported claims I would love to hear > > them – I am sure most pet owners would benefit from them as well. > > > > I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the > > vet’s > > > > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > > > > SO, I have to ask: > > > > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de > worm my > > > > kitten and adult cat ?? > > > > Thanks in advance!! > > > > – A concerned pet owner! > > Before you buy. > Before you buy.
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> > A lot of folks have made the claim that OTC’s are "dangerous", etc., > but NO ONE has shown any evidence (research, articles, anything written > at all) to support those claims. > Well ex-cuuuuuuuze us. If you want research, go ask this question on > alt.med.veterinary, maybe one of the vets over there has nothing better to > do than look stuff up for you. Or look it up yourself.
What is wrong with simply *asking* for some evidence or supportive information for a claim? I ask simply because so many people here have made the same claims. You obviously take everything everyone says at face value. What a moron! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sounds like a lot of people > repeating each other. > Perhaps that’s because we’ve all had similar experiences. I’ve tried the > OTC dewormers in the past. They didn’t work, but what I got from my vet > *did* work. I’ve tried several OTC flea control products. Some of them > worked, some didn’t, and some were so toxic that they made me *and* my cats > sick. If I get within 10 feet of an OTC flea collar like the ones you buy > at grocery stores, I get so sick from the fumes coming off that thing that I > can barely function.
Great. A genuine hypochondriac. >But if you aren’t interested in anecdotal evidence, > fine – don’t take my word for it, or anyone else’s.
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> Maybe vets do need more business. But again, why would pet owners be trying > to drum up business for vets? OTC wormers are ineffective and you need to > know what kind of worm you are treating. What is so hard to understand > about that?
To say that "OTC wormers are ineffective" as a blanket statement is silly – where did you get that information? I’ll bet it wasn’t from a vet. To say things authoritatively without the expertise (or reference) is poor judgment. What is so hard to understand about that ? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Why would we (as most of us are cat owners, not vets) be trying to > generate > > business? > Maybe vets need more business – I dont know. Lawyers used to insist > that one hire a lawyer for a simple divorce – now those same lawyers > sell kits in book stores for 20 bucks. > >The reason for having the vet give meds for deworming is because > > they need to determine what type of worm the cat has to decide on the > > correct medication. OTC wormers are largely ineffective and some of > them > > are even dangerous. And there is no OTC medication for tapeworm. > A lot of folks have made the claim that OTC’s are "dangerous", etc., > but NO ONE has shown any evidence (research, articles, anything written > at all) to support those claims. Sounds like a lot of people > repeating each other. I remember when Tagamet was Rx only (& many > others, as well), and now it is available in every store in every city. > I remember when the AMA said herbal supplements were dangerous – and > most (almost all) of those claims were groundless speculation, > just "docters" repeating one another. Some docs still claim herbals are > dangerous in general, which of course is just plain silly. > I was hoping for more informative replies to my query, not just repeats > of past posts. If anyone has supported claims I would love to hear > them – I am sure most pet owners would benefit from them as well. > > > I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the > vet’s > > > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > > > SO, I have to ask: > > > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > > > kitten and adult cat ?? > > > Thanks in advance!! > > > – A concerned pet owner! > Before you buy.
Before you buy.
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Maybe vets do need more business. But again, why would pet owners be trying to drum up business for vets? OTC wormers are ineffective and you need to know what kind of worm you are treating. What is so hard to understand about that?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Why would we (as most of us are cat owners, not vets) be trying to > generate > business? > Maybe vets need more business – I dont know. Lawyers used to insist > that one hire a lawyer for a simple divorce – now those same lawyers > sell kits in book stores for 20 bucks. >The reason for having the vet give meds for deworming is because > they need to determine what type of worm the cat has to decide on the > correct medication. OTC wormers are largely ineffective and some of > them > are even dangerous. And there is no OTC medication for tapeworm. > A lot of folks have made the claim that OTC’s are "dangerous", etc., > but NO ONE has shown any evidence (research, articles, anything written > at all) to support those claims. Sounds like a lot of people > repeating each other. I remember when Tagamet was Rx only (& many > others, as well), and now it is available in every store in every city. > I remember when the AMA said herbal supplements were dangerous – and > most (almost all) of those claims were groundless speculation, > just "docters" repeating one another. Some docs still claim herbals are > dangerous in general, which of course is just plain silly. > I was hoping for more informative replies to my query, not just repeats > of past posts. If anyone has supported claims I would love to hear > them – I am sure most pet owners would benefit from them as well. > > I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the > vet’s > > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > > SO, I have to ask: > > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > > kitten and adult cat ?? > > Thanks in advance!! > > – A concerned pet owner! > Before you buy.
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> I remember when Tagamet was Rx only (& many > others, as well), and now it is available in every store in every city.
The prescription Tagamet is much stronger than what you buy over the counter. You want to waste your money on OTC meds for your cat, that’s your choice. You want to take a chance with your cat’s live to save a few bucks, that’s also your choice. The OTC counters that I used way in the past were useless. I’d rather take the cat to the vet and get the correct product for the type of worm the cat has and be done with it once and for all. But that’s me. It wouldn’t be mine. — lisaviolet~~proprietor a sample of what you will find at the best little cathouse in cyberspace cathouse : http://www.lisaviolet.com/ live cam 1: http://www.lisaviolet.com/camera/webcam.html live cam 2: http://www.lisaviolet.com/bensden/weather/wx.htm free games: http://www.lisaviolet.com/ben/ free cards: http://www.lisaviolet.com/postcards/ free email: http://www.lisaviolet.com/email.html
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>I was hoping for more informative replies to my query, not just repeats >of past posts. If anyone has supported claims I would love to hear >them – I am sure most pet owners would benefit from them as well.
I am not claiming that OTC dewormers are necessarily dangerous. But before considering one, I’d ask these questions: How do you know your cat has worms? How do you know what kind of worms it has? What is the proper de-wormer and best dosage for this infestation? I don’t know about you, but I need to take a stool sample to my vet to be examined to find out whether my cat needs deworming and if so, what kind of worm she has. I would also then rather have my vet administer a one-time only injection rather than try to force my cat to take a series of OTC pills. I think the problem with OTC dewormers is that often those who use them are trying to diagnose and treat a problem that either doesn’t exist or is incorrect for the actual parasite. yngver (delete "nojunk" to e-mail)
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Bub – You got appropriate and informative answers re OTC wormers. Regarding the legal equivalent – those kits you can buy in bookstores – I cannot tell you how many totally-effed-up results I have tried to undo that were caused by people using the kits who were reasonable and intelligent but did not know what they were doing. OTC wormers will do you just as good a job – that is, there’s not a real good chance of giving a good result and there’s a fair chance of giving you a very very bad result. Why did you name yourself "legal eagle" when your opinion of attorneys is poor? Is your self-esteem so poor that you wannabee something you despise? ( …okay, who gets to come out of my killfile in order to make room for this twit …) MsKitty
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Just to add one thing. I don’t know of a single over the counter de-wormer that treats tape worms either. Gene
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the vet’s > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > Since there are few, if any, vets on this newsgroup (that I know of > anyway) – and since we generally wouldn’t have any way of knowing which vet > anyone would be taking their cat to – how exactly is this ‘generating > business’? > We tell people to take their cats to a vet because if a cat is sick or > injured, it can only be properly diagnosed and treated by a qualified vet. > It’s really as simple as that. > SO, I have to ask: > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > kitten and adult cat ?? > In a sense it depends upon what you are buying, and which counter you are > buying over. The stuff in grocery stores is crap, no matter who makes it – > it doesn’t work and half the time it’s toxic. Sometimes you can buy decent > products at the better pet supply stores – i.e. food, vitamin supplements, > certain grooming products. But frankly, *anything* that smacks of > "medicine" – including de-wormers – is something that I am *only* going to > get from a vet. The pet supply store where I do all my shopping won’t even > carry OTC de-wormers because the owner does not feel she can honestly > recommend any of them.
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> A lot of folks have made the claim that OTC’s are "dangerous", etc., > but NO ONE has shown any evidence (research, articles, anything written > at all) to support those claims.
Well ex-cuuuuuuuze us. If you want research, go ask this question on alt.med.veterinary, maybe one of the vets over there has nothing better to do than look stuff up for you. Or look it up yourself. > Sounds like a lot of people > repeating each other.
Perhaps that’s because we’ve all had similar experiences. I’ve tried the OTC dewormers in the past. They didn’t work, but what I got from my vet *did* work. I’ve tried several OTC flea control products. Some of them worked, some didn’t, and some were so toxic that they made me *and* my cats sick. If I get within 10 feet of an OTC flea collar like the ones you buy at grocery stores, I get so sick from the fumes coming off that thing that I can barely function. But if you aren’t interested in anecdotal evidence, fine – don’t take my word for it, or anyone else’s.
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> Why would we (as most of us are cat owners, not vets) be trying to generate > business?
Maybe vets need more business – I dont know. Lawyers used to insist that one hire a lawyer for a simple divorce – now those same lawyers sell kits in book stores for 20 bucks. >The reason for having the vet give meds for deworming is because > they need to determine what type of worm the cat has to decide on the > correct medication. OTC wormers are largely ineffective and some of them > are even dangerous. And there is no OTC medication for tapeworm.
A lot of folks have made the claim that OTC’s are "dangerous", etc., but NO ONE has shown any evidence (research, articles, anything written at all) to support those claims. Sounds like a lot of people repeating each other. I remember when Tagamet was Rx only (& many others, as well), and now it is available in every store in every city. I remember when the AMA said herbal supplements were dangerous – and most (almost all) of those claims were groundless speculation, just "docters" repeating one another. Some docs still claim herbals are dangerous in general, which of course is just plain silly. I was hoping for more informative replies to my query, not just repeats of past posts. If anyone has supported claims I would love to hear them – I am sure most pet owners would benefit from them as well. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the vet’s > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > SO, I have to ask: > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > kitten and adult cat ?? > Thanks in advance!! > – A concerned pet owner!
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Why would we (as most of us are cat owners, not vets) be trying to generate business? The reason for having the vet give meds for deworming is because they need to determine what type of worm the cat has to decide on the correct medication. OTC wormers are largely ineffective and some of them are even dangerous. And there is no OTC medication for tapeworm.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the vet’s > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > SO, I have to ask: > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > kitten and adult cat ?? > Thanks in advance!! > – A concerned pet owner! > Before you buy.
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> I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the vet’s > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me.
Since there are few, if any, vets on this newsgroup (that I know of anyway) – and since we generally wouldn’t have any way of knowing which vet anyone would be taking their cat to – how exactly is this ‘generating business’? We tell people to take their cats to a vet because if a cat is sick or injured, it can only be properly diagnosed and treated by a qualified vet. It’s really as simple as that. > SO, I have to ask: > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > kitten and adult cat ??
In a sense it depends upon what you are buying, and which counter you are buying over. The stuff in grocery stores is crap, no matter who makes it – it doesn’t work and half the time it’s toxic. Sometimes you can buy decent products at the better pet supply stores – i.e. food, vitamin supplements, certain grooming products. But frankly, *anything* that smacks of "medicine" – including de-wormers – is something that I am *only* going to get from a vet. The pet supply store where I do all my shopping won’t even carry OTC de-wormers because the owner does not feel she can honestly recommend any of them.
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Hey we’re just a bunch of cat lovers, not vets! We’re not trying to generate business anywhere. It’s a necessity that animals need medical care, just like humans! I don’t recommend any over the counter deworming products. Many of them are dangerous and/or ineffective. Bring in a stool sample to your vets to be analyzed (it’s relatively cheap!), and he/she will give you the appropriate medication to properly deworm your kitties. Kelly – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the vet’s > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > SO, I have to ask: > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > kitten and adult cat ?? > Thanks in advance!! > – A concerned pet owner! > Before you buy.
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> I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the vet’s > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > SO, I have to ask: > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > kitten and adult cat ?? > Thanks in advance!! > – A concerned pet owner!
Dear concerned, I wouldn’t use an OTC worming product. I’ve heard stories from they didn’t do a darned thing to the pet getting extremely sick from it. I’d rather take the cat to the vet and get the proper wormer for the type of worm the cat has. Better safe than sorry. — lisaviolet~~proprietor a sample of what you will find at the best little cathouse in cyberspace cathouse : http://www.lisaviolet.com/ free games: http://www.lisaviolet.com/ben/ free cards: http://www.lisaviolet.com/postcards/
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I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the vet’s office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. SO, I have to ask: Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my kitten and adult cat ?? Thanks in advance!! – A concerned pet owner! Before you buy.
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> I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the vet’s > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me.
Most of the people here are not vets. Most of the people here are cat owners. When people here say "take your cat to the vet," that’s because your cat needs to see a vet, either because a diagnosis needs to be made in person or because there is no over-the-counter alternative that is safe or effective to give. It’s not about "generating business," but about doing what is best for the cat. > SO, I have to ask: > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > kitten and adult cat ??
I can’t speak from experience, but I know how variable in weight my cats are, and a difference in body weight of a couple of pounds (or in the case of kittens, a couple of ounces) can make the difference between an ineffective dose and an effective one, or an effective dose and a fatal one. My vet weighed my kitten to the ounce before giving her deworming medicine so that the dosage would be right; if the Upjohn products don’t require something similar, then my conclusion would be either that they are not as effective as what my vet uses or that they are more dangerous for the cats. Once again I say, talk to your vet – your vet is the best person to consult for decisions such as that one. Charlton — Charlton Wilbur | Wer bin ich, waer’ ich deine Wille nicht? University of Massachusetts | – Bruennhilde
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> >I was hoping for more informative replies to my query, not just repeats >of past posts. If anyone has supported claims I would love to hear >them – I am sure most pet owners would benefit from them as well. > I am not claiming that OTC dewormers are necessarily dangerous. But before > considering one, I’d ask these questions: > How do you know your cat has worms? How do you know what kind of
worms it has? From this group, it could be surmised that all kittens get worms and should be dewormed. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What is the proper de-wormer and best dosage for this infestation? > I don’t know about you, but I need to take a stool sample to my vet to be > examined to find out whether my cat needs deworming and if so, what kind of > worm she has. I would also then rather have my vet administer a one- time only > injection rather than try to force my cat to take a series of OTC pills. > I think the problem with OTC dewormers is that often those who use them are > trying to diagnose and treat a problem that either doesn’t exist or is > incorrect for the actual parasite. > yngver > (delete "nojunk" to e-mail)
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> From this group, it could be surmised that all kittens get worms and > should be dewormed.
No, not all kittens get worms.
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> Actually, as a parallegal I fix papers that they (attys) F* up.
You can’t even spell paralegal and we’re supposed to believe you are smart enough to be one? LOL!!
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Actually my vets all say that they *can* be fatal! The dosage in them is wrong, and when treating a cat, you have to have the EXACT dosage! Too much, even from a vet, could kill them. Do what you want, it’s obvious that you don’t want to hear the truth. And Bullshit you’re a legal assistant of any sort. ~~Rechelle – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Maybe vets do need more business. But again, why would pet owners be > trying > to drum up business for vets? OTC wormers are ineffective and you > need to > know what kind of worm you are treating. What is so hard to > understand > about that? > To say that "OTC wormers are ineffective" as a blanket statement is > silly – where did you get that information? I’ll bet it wasn’t from a > vet. > To say things authoritatively without the expertise (or reference) is > poor judgment. What is so hard to understand about that ? > > > Why would we (as most of us are cat owners, not vets) be trying to > > generate > > > business? > > Maybe vets need more business – I dont know. Lawyers used to insist > > that one hire a lawyer for a simple divorce – now those same lawyers > > sell kits in book stores for 20 bucks. > > >The reason for having the vet give meds for deworming is because > > > they need to determine what type of worm the cat has to decide on > the > > > correct medication. OTC wormers are largely ineffective and some > of > > them > > > are even dangerous. And there is no OTC medication for tapeworm. > > A lot of folks have made the claim that OTC’s are "dangerous", etc., > > but NO ONE has shown any evidence (research, articles, anything > written > > at all) to support those claims. Sounds like a lot of people > > repeating each other. I remember when Tagamet was Rx only (& many > > others, as well), and now it is available in every store in every > city. > > I remember when the AMA said herbal supplements were dangerous – and > > most (almost all) of those claims were groundless speculation, > > just "docters" repeating one another. Some docs still claim herbals > are > > dangerous in general, which of course is just plain silly. > > I was hoping for more informative replies to my query, not just > repeats > > of past posts. If anyone has supported claims I would love to hear > > them – I am sure most pet owners would benefit from them as well. > > > > I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the > > vet’s > > > > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > > > > SO, I have to ask: > > > > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de > worm my > > > > kitten and adult cat ?? > > > > Thanks in advance!! > > > > – A concerned pet owner! > > Before you buy. > Before you buy.
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> What is wrong with simply *asking* for some evidence or supportive > information for a claim? I ask simply because so many people here have > made the same claims. You obviously take everything everyone says at > face value. What a moron!
Did I or did I not say that I had tried OTC products myself? Did I or did I not suggest that perhaps we were making the same claims because we have all had similar experiences with these products? Does that not suggest that maybe, just maybe, there might be some validity to what we are telling you? We are cat owners, not researchers and not vets. Our experience is pretty much what we have to go on (which is why so many of us advice posters so frequently to consult a vet for the answer to their questions or problems). If that’s not good enough for you, you’re in the wrong newsgroup. BTW, when it comes to cat health, the only person whose advice I take at face value is my vet’s, and I don’t always even do that. I sure as shit don’t take what I read *here* at face value. > Great. A genuine hypochondriac.
I am the *least* hypochondriacal person I know. But thanks for the clever, perceptive insight. Well, here’s an insight for you: You’re a snotty little jerk who is only interested in an answer when it’s what you want to hear. *plonk*
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> Actually, as a parallegal I fix papers that they (attys) F* up.
You wouldn’t by any chance be related to Kelly, would you?
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And yes, I’ve been told by vets that OTC wormers don’t work and can be dangerous. I’ve got plenty of experience in feline health issues. I’ve got 12 cats and they are all well cared for and healthy. I’ve been through my share of different types of worms when I adopted them, or when I fostered moms and babies. So my knowledge is earned and I DO know what I’m talking about. It’s time for the killfile for you.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Maybe vets do need more business. But again, why would pet owners be > trying > to drum up business for vets? OTC wormers are ineffective and you > need to > know what kind of worm you are treating. What is so hard to > understand > about that? > To say that "OTC wormers are ineffective" as a blanket statement is > silly – where did you get that information? I’ll bet it wasn’t from a > vet. > To say things authoritatively without the expertise (or reference) is > poor judgment. What is so hard to understand about that ? > > > Why would we (as most of us are cat owners, not vets) be trying to > > generate > > > business? > > Maybe vets need more business – I dont know. Lawyers used to insist > > that one hire a lawyer for a simple divorce – now those same lawyers > > sell kits in book stores for 20 bucks. > > >The reason for having the vet give meds for deworming is because > > > they need to determine what type of worm the cat has to decide on > the > > > correct medication. OTC wormers are largely ineffective and some > of > > them > > > are even dangerous. And there is no OTC medication for tapeworm. > > A lot of folks have made the claim that OTC’s are "dangerous", etc., > > but NO ONE has shown any evidence (research, articles, anything > written > > at all) to support those claims. Sounds like a lot of people > > repeating each other. I remember when Tagamet was Rx only (& many > > others, as well), and now it is available in every store in every > city. > > I remember when the AMA said herbal supplements were dangerous – and > > most (almost all) of those claims were groundless speculation, > > just "docters" repeating one another. Some docs still claim herbals > are > > dangerous in general, which of course is just plain silly. > > I was hoping for more informative replies to my query, not just > repeats > > of past posts. If anyone has supported claims I would love to hear > > them – I am sure most pet owners would benefit from them as well. > > > > I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the > > vet’s > > > > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > > > > SO, I have to ask: > > > > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de > worm my > > > > kitten and adult cat ?? > > > > Thanks in advance!! > > > > – A concerned pet owner! > > Before you buy. > Before you buy.
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> > I remember when Tagamet was Rx only (& many > others, as well), and now it is available in every store in every city. > The prescription Tagamet is much stronger than what you buy over the > counter.
Hmmm. Let’s see…By your kind of reasoning…Prescription Tagamet is much more likely to kill me then…. because it’s stronger. > You want to waste your money on OTC meds for your cat, that’s your > choice. You want to take a chance with your cat’s live to save a few > bucks, that’s also your choice. The OTC counters that I used way in the > past were useless.
How long ago was this? Before you buy.
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> Bub – > You got appropriate and informative answers re OTC wormers. > Regarding the legal equivalent – those kits you can buy in bookstores – I > cannot tell you how many totally-effed-up results I have tried to undo that > were caused by people using the kits who were reasonable and intelligent but > did not know what they were doing.
Maybe they used *your* kind of reasoning > OTC wormers will do you just as good a job – that is, there’s not a real good > chance of giving a good result and there’s a fair chance of giving you a very > very bad result. > Why did you name yourself "legal eagle" when your opinion of attorneys is poor? > Is your self-esteem so poor that you wannabee something you despise?
Actually, as a parallegal I fix papers that they (attys) F* up. > ( …okay, who gets to come out of my killfile in order to make room for this > twit …)
Now, now. Name calling Miss Kitty – when you have no substance, I guess that’s all you can offer us > MsKitty
With your level of intelligence – I pray for your clients. Before you buy.
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OTC wormers are ineffective because they don’t work! It’s a fact whether you want to believe it or not. Why do you think they tell you to treat monthly? It should only take 1 or 2 treatments total (depending on the worm). If you don’t like the answers you get here, then don’t ask them asshole.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Maybe vets do need more business. But again, why would pet owners be > trying > to drum up business for vets? OTC wormers are ineffective and you > need to > know what kind of worm you are treating. What is so hard to > understand > about that? > To say that "OTC wormers are ineffective" as a blanket statement is > silly – where did you get that information? I’ll bet it wasn’t from a > vet. > To say things authoritatively without the expertise (or reference) is > poor judgment. What is so hard to understand about that ? > > > Why would we (as most of us are cat owners, not vets) be trying to > > generate > > > business? > > Maybe vets need more business – I dont know. Lawyers used to insist > > that one hire a lawyer for a simple divorce – now those same lawyers > > sell kits in book stores for 20 bucks. > > >The reason for having the vet give meds for deworming is because > > > they need to determine what type of worm the cat has to decide on > the > > > correct medication. OTC wormers are largely ineffective and some > of > > them > > > are even dangerous. And there is no OTC medication for tapeworm. > > A lot of folks have made the claim that OTC’s are "dangerous", etc., > > but NO ONE has shown any evidence (research, articles, anything > written > > at all) to support those claims. Sounds like a lot of people > > repeating each other. I remember when Tagamet was Rx only (& many > > others, as well), and now it is available in every store in every > city. > > I remember when the AMA said herbal supplements were dangerous – and > > most (almost all) of those claims were groundless speculation, > > just "docters" repeating one another. Some docs still claim herbals > are > > dangerous in general, which of course is just plain silly. > > I was hoping for more informative replies to my query, not just > repeats > > of past posts. If anyone has supported claims I would love to hear > > them – I am sure most pet owners would benefit from them as well. > > > > I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the > > vet’s > > > > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > > > > SO, I have to ask: > > > > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de > worm my > > > > kitten and adult cat ?? > > > > Thanks in advance!! > > > > – A concerned pet owner! > > Before you buy. > Before you buy.
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> > A lot of folks have made the claim that OTC’s are "dangerous", etc., > but NO ONE has shown any evidence (research, articles, anything written > at all) to support those claims. > Well ex-cuuuuuuuze us. If you want research, go ask this question on > alt.med.veterinary, maybe one of the vets over there has nothing better to > do than look stuff up for you. Or look it up yourself.
What is wrong with simply *asking* for some evidence or supportive information for a claim? I ask simply because so many people here have made the same claims. You obviously take everything everyone says at face value. What a moron! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sounds like a lot of people > repeating each other. > Perhaps that’s because we’ve all had similar experiences. I’ve tried the > OTC dewormers in the past. They didn’t work, but what I got from my vet > *did* work. I’ve tried several OTC flea control products. Some of them > worked, some didn’t, and some were so toxic that they made me *and* my cats > sick. If I get within 10 feet of an OTC flea collar like the ones you buy > at grocery stores, I get so sick from the fumes coming off that thing that I > can barely function.
Great. A genuine hypochondriac. >But if you aren’t interested in anecdotal evidence, > fine – don’t take my word for it, or anyone else’s.
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> Maybe vets do need more business. But again, why would pet owners be trying > to drum up business for vets? OTC wormers are ineffective and you need to > know what kind of worm you are treating. What is so hard to understand > about that?
To say that "OTC wormers are ineffective" as a blanket statement is silly – where did you get that information? I’ll bet it wasn’t from a vet. To say things authoritatively without the expertise (or reference) is poor judgment. What is so hard to understand about that ? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Why would we (as most of us are cat owners, not vets) be trying to > generate > > business? > Maybe vets need more business – I dont know. Lawyers used to insist > that one hire a lawyer for a simple divorce – now those same lawyers > sell kits in book stores for 20 bucks. > >The reason for having the vet give meds for deworming is because > > they need to determine what type of worm the cat has to decide on the > > correct medication. OTC wormers are largely ineffective and some of > them > > are even dangerous. And there is no OTC medication for tapeworm. > A lot of folks have made the claim that OTC’s are "dangerous", etc., > but NO ONE has shown any evidence (research, articles, anything written > at all) to support those claims. Sounds like a lot of people > repeating each other. I remember when Tagamet was Rx only (& many > others, as well), and now it is available in every store in every city. > I remember when the AMA said herbal supplements were dangerous – and > most (almost all) of those claims were groundless speculation, > just "docters" repeating one another. Some docs still claim herbals are > dangerous in general, which of course is just plain silly. > I was hoping for more informative replies to my query, not just repeats > of past posts. If anyone has supported claims I would love to hear > them – I am sure most pet owners would benefit from them as well. > > > I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the > vet’s > > > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > > > SO, I have to ask: > > > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > > > kitten and adult cat ?? > > > Thanks in advance!! > > > – A concerned pet owner! > Before you buy.
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Maybe vets do need more business. But again, why would pet owners be trying to drum up business for vets? OTC wormers are ineffective and you need to know what kind of worm you are treating. What is so hard to understand about that?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Why would we (as most of us are cat owners, not vets) be trying to > generate > business? > Maybe vets need more business – I dont know. Lawyers used to insist > that one hire a lawyer for a simple divorce – now those same lawyers > sell kits in book stores for 20 bucks. >The reason for having the vet give meds for deworming is because > they need to determine what type of worm the cat has to decide on the > correct medication. OTC wormers are largely ineffective and some of > them > are even dangerous. And there is no OTC medication for tapeworm. > A lot of folks have made the claim that OTC’s are "dangerous", etc., > but NO ONE has shown any evidence (research, articles, anything written > at all) to support those claims. Sounds like a lot of people > repeating each other. I remember when Tagamet was Rx only (& many > others, as well), and now it is available in every store in every city. > I remember when the AMA said herbal supplements were dangerous – and > most (almost all) of those claims were groundless speculation, > just "docters" repeating one another. Some docs still claim herbals are > dangerous in general, which of course is just plain silly. > I was hoping for more informative replies to my query, not just repeats > of past posts. If anyone has supported claims I would love to hear > them – I am sure most pet owners would benefit from them as well. > > I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the > vet’s > > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > > SO, I have to ask: > > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > > kitten and adult cat ?? > > Thanks in advance!! > > – A concerned pet owner! > Before you buy.
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> I remember when Tagamet was Rx only (& many > others, as well), and now it is available in every store in every city.
The prescription Tagamet is much stronger than what you buy over the counter. You want to waste your money on OTC meds for your cat, that’s your choice. You want to take a chance with your cat’s live to save a few bucks, that’s also your choice. The OTC counters that I used way in the past were useless. I’d rather take the cat to the vet and get the correct product for the type of worm the cat has and be done with it once and for all. But that’s me. It wouldn’t be mine. — lisaviolet~~proprietor a sample of what you will find at the best little cathouse in cyberspace cathouse : http://www.lisaviolet.com/ live cam 1: http://www.lisaviolet.com/camera/webcam.html live cam 2: http://www.lisaviolet.com/bensden/weather/wx.htm free games: http://www.lisaviolet.com/ben/ free cards: http://www.lisaviolet.com/postcards/ free email: http://www.lisaviolet.com/email.html
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>I was hoping for more informative replies to my query, not just repeats >of past posts. If anyone has supported claims I would love to hear >them – I am sure most pet owners would benefit from them as well.
I am not claiming that OTC dewormers are necessarily dangerous. But before considering one, I’d ask these questions: How do you know your cat has worms? How do you know what kind of worms it has? What is the proper de-wormer and best dosage for this infestation? I don’t know about you, but I need to take a stool sample to my vet to be examined to find out whether my cat needs deworming and if so, what kind of worm she has. I would also then rather have my vet administer a one-time only injection rather than try to force my cat to take a series of OTC pills. I think the problem with OTC dewormers is that often those who use them are trying to diagnose and treat a problem that either doesn’t exist or is incorrect for the actual parasite. yngver (delete "nojunk" to e-mail)
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Bub – You got appropriate and informative answers re OTC wormers. Regarding the legal equivalent – those kits you can buy in bookstores – I cannot tell you how many totally-effed-up results I have tried to undo that were caused by people using the kits who were reasonable and intelligent but did not know what they were doing. OTC wormers will do you just as good a job – that is, there’s not a real good chance of giving a good result and there’s a fair chance of giving you a very very bad result. Why did you name yourself "legal eagle" when your opinion of attorneys is poor? Is your self-esteem so poor that you wannabee something you despise? ( …okay, who gets to come out of my killfile in order to make room for this twit …) MsKitty
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Just to add one thing. I don’t know of a single over the counter de-wormer that treats tape worms either. Gene
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the vet’s > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > Since there are few, if any, vets on this newsgroup (that I know of > anyway) – and since we generally wouldn’t have any way of knowing which vet > anyone would be taking their cat to – how exactly is this ‘generating > business’? > We tell people to take their cats to a vet because if a cat is sick or > injured, it can only be properly diagnosed and treated by a qualified vet. > It’s really as simple as that. > SO, I have to ask: > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > kitten and adult cat ?? > In a sense it depends upon what you are buying, and which counter you are > buying over. The stuff in grocery stores is crap, no matter who makes it – > it doesn’t work and half the time it’s toxic. Sometimes you can buy decent > products at the better pet supply stores – i.e. food, vitamin supplements, > certain grooming products. But frankly, *anything* that smacks of > "medicine" – including de-wormers – is something that I am *only* going to > get from a vet. The pet supply store where I do all my shopping won’t even > carry OTC de-wormers because the owner does not feel she can honestly > recommend any of them.
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> A lot of folks have made the claim that OTC’s are "dangerous", etc., > but NO ONE has shown any evidence (research, articles, anything written > at all) to support those claims.
Well ex-cuuuuuuuze us. If you want research, go ask this question on alt.med.veterinary, maybe one of the vets over there has nothing better to do than look stuff up for you. Or look it up yourself. > Sounds like a lot of people > repeating each other.
Perhaps that’s because we’ve all had similar experiences. I’ve tried the OTC dewormers in the past. They didn’t work, but what I got from my vet *did* work. I’ve tried several OTC flea control products. Some of them worked, some didn’t, and some were so toxic that they made me *and* my cats sick. If I get within 10 feet of an OTC flea collar like the ones you buy at grocery stores, I get so sick from the fumes coming off that thing that I can barely function. But if you aren’t interested in anecdotal evidence, fine – don’t take my word for it, or anyone else’s.
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> Why would we (as most of us are cat owners, not vets) be trying to generate > business?
Maybe vets need more business – I dont know. Lawyers used to insist that one hire a lawyer for a simple divorce – now those same lawyers sell kits in book stores for 20 bucks. >The reason for having the vet give meds for deworming is because > they need to determine what type of worm the cat has to decide on the > correct medication. OTC wormers are largely ineffective and some of them > are even dangerous. And there is no OTC medication for tapeworm.
A lot of folks have made the claim that OTC’s are "dangerous", etc., but NO ONE has shown any evidence (research, articles, anything written at all) to support those claims. Sounds like a lot of people repeating each other. I remember when Tagamet was Rx only (& many others, as well), and now it is available in every store in every city. I remember when the AMA said herbal supplements were dangerous – and most (almost all) of those claims were groundless speculation, just "docters" repeating one another. Some docs still claim herbals are dangerous in general, which of course is just plain silly. I was hoping for more informative replies to my query, not just repeats of past posts. If anyone has supported claims I would love to hear them – I am sure most pet owners would benefit from them as well. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the vet’s > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > SO, I have to ask: > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > kitten and adult cat ?? > Thanks in advance!! > – A concerned pet owner!
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Why would we (as most of us are cat owners, not vets) be trying to generate business? The reason for having the vet give meds for deworming is because they need to determine what type of worm the cat has to decide on the correct medication. OTC wormers are largely ineffective and some of them are even dangerous. And there is no OTC medication for tapeworm.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the vet’s > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > SO, I have to ask: > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > kitten and adult cat ?? > Thanks in advance!! > – A concerned pet owner! > Before you buy.
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> I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the vet’s > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me.
Since there are few, if any, vets on this newsgroup (that I know of anyway) – and since we generally wouldn’t have any way of knowing which vet anyone would be taking their cat to – how exactly is this ‘generating business’? We tell people to take their cats to a vet because if a cat is sick or injured, it can only be properly diagnosed and treated by a qualified vet. It’s really as simple as that. > SO, I have to ask: > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > kitten and adult cat ??
In a sense it depends upon what you are buying, and which counter you are buying over. The stuff in grocery stores is crap, no matter who makes it – it doesn’t work and half the time it’s toxic. Sometimes you can buy decent products at the better pet supply stores – i.e. food, vitamin supplements, certain grooming products. But frankly, *anything* that smacks of "medicine" – including de-wormers – is something that I am *only* going to get from a vet. The pet supply store where I do all my shopping won’t even carry OTC de-wormers because the owner does not feel she can honestly recommend any of them.
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Hey we’re just a bunch of cat lovers, not vets! We’re not trying to generate business anywhere. It’s a necessity that animals need medical care, just like humans! I don’t recommend any over the counter deworming products. Many of them are dangerous and/or ineffective. Bring in a stool sample to your vets to be analyzed (it’s relatively cheap!), and he/she will give you the appropriate medication to properly deworm your kitties. Kelly – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the vet’s > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > SO, I have to ask: > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > kitten and adult cat ?? > Thanks in advance!! > – A concerned pet owner! > Before you buy.
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> I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the vet’s > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. > SO, I have to ask: > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > kitten and adult cat ?? > Thanks in advance!! > – A concerned pet owner!
Dear concerned, I wouldn’t use an OTC worming product. I’ve heard stories from they didn’t do a darned thing to the pet getting extremely sick from it. I’d rather take the cat to the vet and get the proper wormer for the type of worm the cat has. Better safe than sorry. — lisaviolet~~proprietor a sample of what you will find at the best little cathouse in cyberspace cathouse : http://www.lisaviolet.com/ free games: http://www.lisaviolet.com/ben/ free cards: http://www.lisaviolet.com/postcards/
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I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the vet’s office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me. SO, I have to ask: Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my kitten and adult cat ?? Thanks in advance!! – A concerned pet owner! Before you buy.
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> I see posts suggesting that a person MUST take their pet to the vet’s > office – sounds a lot like trying to generate business to me.
Most of the people here are not vets. Most of the people here are cat owners. When people here say "take your cat to the vet," that’s because your cat needs to see a vet, either because a diagnosis needs to be made in person or because there is no over-the-counter alternative that is safe or effective to give. It’s not about "generating business," but about doing what is best for the cat. > SO, I have to ask: > Is there anything wrong with using OTC Upjohn products to de worm my > kitten and adult cat ??
I can’t speak from experience, but I know how variable in weight my cats are, and a difference in body weight of a couple of pounds (or in the case of kittens, a couple of ounces) can make the difference between an ineffective dose and an effective one, or an effective dose and a fatal one. My vet weighed my kitten to the ounce before giving her deworming medicine so that the dosage would be right; if the Upjohn products don’t require something similar, then my conclusion would be either that they are not as effective as what my vet uses or that they are more dangerous for the cats. Once again I say, talk to your vet – your vet is the best person to consult for decisions such as that one. Charlton — Charlton Wilbur | Wer bin ich, waer’ ich deine Wille nicht? University of Massachusetts | – Bruennhilde
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> >I was hoping for more informative replies to my query, not just repeats >of past posts. If anyone has supported claims I would love to hear >them – I am sure most pet owners would benefit from them as well. > I am not claiming that OTC dewormers are necessarily dangerous. But before > considering one, I’d ask these questions: > How do you know your cat has worms? How do you know what kind of
worms it has? From this group, it could be surmised that all kittens get worms and should be dewormed. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What is the proper de-wormer and best dosage for this infestation? > I don’t know about you, but I need to take a stool sample to my vet to be > examined to find out whether my cat needs deworming and if so, what kind of > worm she has. I would also then rather have my vet administer a one- time only > injection rather than try to force my cat to take a series of OTC pills. > I think the problem with OTC dewormers is that often those who use them are > trying to diagnose and treat a problem that either doesn’t exist or is > incorrect for the actual parasite. > yngver > (delete "nojunk" to e-mail)
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