my dog can't stand to be away from me
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>My first question would be why you feel you need to take the dog with you >where he’s not welcom
I agree with you. Don’t take pets where people don’t want them. Dogs are fine at home alone when you are out. Remember they are pack animals and you are seperating them from their pack. YOU!!!! Good Luck
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I think you should go to a vet who knows about behavior problems as soon as possible. It seems your dog is suffering from separation anxiety desorder. The more you wait to address this, the worst it will become. Maybe behavior desensibilisation won’t be enough and you will need medication to. Don’t be afraid. It is safe and makes a big difference. Don’t follow the advices of everybody. You can do more harm than good. This problem is quite commun and, properly managed, can be kept under control. Viviane
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Let me suggest crate training as a way to help your dog feel secure no matter where he is and also to help your in-laws to be feel comfortable about him being in their home. Its like taking your dog’s own bedroom along when you travel 
Nancy
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Please help me. My dog is a 2 yr old labrador. He’s sweet and lovable > and great if I do not take him anywhere. He is fine in my house but > anyone elses house he gets really hyper and I have trouble controlling > him. Also my fiances family won’t let my dog in their house. It has > been a huge issue we haven’t resolved. I would like to be able to > leave him outside (my dog) tied so he is safe and have a nice visit. > He however barks and slips out of his collar and scratches at the door. > I don’t know how to help him feel safe comfortable in other situations > than at my house. Please give me some advice. > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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My first question would be why you feel you need to take the dog with you where he’s not welcome. And why you imagine being tied to a tree is a "nice visit". Unless the dog is really welcome and can spend time with you and/or other people, why not just leave him at home? He wants to be with the people — that’s why he’s scratching at the door. If you bring the dog to a new environment, he’s going to want to check things out, sniff, look, etc., so he’s going to be somewhat active at first, until he’s comfortable in the new place. If your in-laws don’t like dogs or don’t like having a large active dog roaming in their home, try to see their point. They might have breakables around that they’re worried about, or they might be concerned about the dog chewing things, marking his territory, shedding, or otherwise making a mess that they will be left to deal with. And they might be squeamish about the dog pooping and peeing in their yard, or digging things up, or whatever else the dog might find time to do out there. No matter what the reason, it’s their house and they set the rules. If they don’t want you bringing your dog, or they don’t allow smoking, or whatever, you have the choice of either doing what they ask or not going. Don’t get me wrong — it’s not that I don’t like dogs. I have two and I spend a lot of time with them. Sometimes I even bring one or another with me when I go to work. But if I had my choice between taking one of the dogs with me to a house where I’d have to tie her to a tree or leaving her at home where she has free run of the house, I’d certainly leave her home. If at some point you have your dog so well trained that he’s completely under your control and you can prove this to your in-laws, maybe they’ll change their minds. But if you can’t control the dog, of course they’re going to be concerned about what the dog is going to do that they won’t like.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Please help me. My dog is a 2 yr old labrador. He’s sweet and lovable >and great if I do not take him anywhere. He is fine in my house but >anyone elses house he gets really hyper and I have trouble controlling >him. Also my fiances family won’t let my dog in their house. It has >been a huge issue we haven’t resolved. I would like to be able to >leave him outside (my dog) tied so he is safe and have a nice visit. >He however barks and slips out of his collar and scratches at the door. >I don’t know how to help him feel safe comfortable in other situations >than at my house. Please give me some advice. >* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * >The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hopeless, > If you decide to visit the link Jerry Howe has given you, > (http://www.doggydoright.com), be sure you also take a look at > http://www.sound.net/~twillis/Harlan/concerns.html > "Concerns About Claims for the Wit’s End Dog Training Method and > Doggy > Do Right". > Whatever you decide to do, make it an informed choice. > Ed Williams
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>Please help me. My dog is a 2 yr old labrador. He’s sweet and lovable >and great if I do not take him anywhere. He is fine in my house but >anyone elses house he gets really hyper and I have trouble controlling >him. Also my fiances family won’t let my dog in their house. It has >been a huge issue we haven’t resolved. I would like to be able to >leave him outside (my dog) tied so he is safe and have a nice visit. >He however barks and slips out of his collar and scratches at the door. >I don’t know how to help him feel safe comfortable in other situations >than at my house. Please give me some advice.
I’m wondering why you would think that your dog should feel safe and comfortable in this situation. At home he is allowed in the house and is with you. He has a leader and direction. He feels part of your pack. You take him to a strange environment where he is not welcome and is left tied outside. He feels cast off! He has no one to look to for leadership or comfort. He is alone, tied up and bored. Can you leave him at your house when you visit her so that if he can’t be with you he can at least be in a safe environment? BTW is your fiance OK with the dog living in the house? I’d make sure before you get married because if she’s grown up with an "outdoor dog" kind of attitude it might cause problems. Be sure that she’s not planning on making your dog an "outdoor dog" after the wedding. Michelle
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> Hopeless, > If you decide to visit the link Jerry Howe has given you, > (http://www.doggydoright.com), be sure you also take a look at > http://www.sound.net/~twillis/Harlan/concerns.html > "Concerns About Claims for the Wit’s End Dog Training Method and Doggy > Do Right". > Whatever you decide to do, make it an informed choice. > Ed Williams
Hello People, Here’s a "VITAL WARNING" from our respected behaviorist, an educator who PUNISHES DOGS BEHAVIOR, and NOT THE DOG, associate professor of behavior at Wisconsin University, our own esteemed marshall dermer. Lyingdocdermer is the unofficial leader of our Gang Of Thugs, and former Master Of Deception, having lost that distingueshed title by crossing the line between philosophical disagreement about HURTING DOGS, to outright lying to support his malicious claims about the Wits’ End Dog Training Method and NON VIOLENT dog training : > lyingdocdermer writes: > Dear Readers and Contributors: > I have appended below my second attempt at a FAQ about > Jerry’s products.
Products? I offer the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual, a FREE, comprehensive text on training WITHOUT FORCE, FEAR, CONFRONTATION, OR PUNISHMENT… Our respected professor NEVER bothered to READ the text, at least NOT PAST the part in the introduction where I CONDEMN the universities and their BOGUS "professors" who teach us to CONFRONT AND PUNISH DOGS for their behavior, instead of TEACHING US SCIENTIFIC METHODS to modify behavior WITHOUT HURTING DOGS. AND, I offer FOR SALE, Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO) http://www.doggydoright.com , a remarkable sound program that REHABILITATES DOG and CAT BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS such as FEAR OF THUNDER, separation anxiety, excessive barking, HYPERACTIVITY, car sickness, and fighting and spraying in cats, to name a FEW behaviors Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO) can CURE WITHOUT TRAINING. > Here are my thoughts:
This ought to be good, doc… > 1. The "FAQ" is now better described as a "Concerns About" > page.
Meaning there is NO SUBSTANCE to your "CONCERNS"… > 2. I am most in debt to Terri for she posted a first draft, but I > did not use all her suggestions. This is basically because I > felt that although her suggestions differed in detail, the basic > problem was the same: Jerry had failed to adequately > support his claim(s).
Here, our good doc is relying on HELP from a vicious, incompetent psychopathic CLOWN, who just bought a pronged choke collar to "train” her dog and defends choking, shocking, and HANGING DOGS, and says she only punishes her dog 5% of the time… > 3. I thank Avrama and Dogman for their encouragement, and > Lynn and Fred for their suggestions. If I have missed anyone > else, I am sorry.
Let’s LOOK at the players? OUR friend avrama is a professora, who is MISSING her front teeth because HER dog got FED UP WITH HER JERKING AND CHOKING him to come, so he learned to HURT HER BACK, and BASHED HER TEETH OUT on a recall, and MADE IT LOOK like it was an ACCIDENT. The dog LEARNED this behavior BY COPYING THE ACTIONS AND ATTITUDE of his SNEAKY "trainer," who HURTS HIM, and makes it LOOK like SHE DIDN’T DO IT… It’s called allelomimetic behavior. Just like marshalls’ dog learned to masturbate on his pillow… OUR pal Dogman (a.k.a. lyingdogdirty), HANGS DOGS to REHABILITATE THEM. ‘Nuff said about dogdirtbag. cindymoron and lyingfrostydahly twist and pinch dog’s ears and toes and BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS…That’s ACCEPTABLE HERE… Next, we have lyinglynn, a pathological liar (first rpdb regular to EARN the lying title in front of her name) and notorious dog abuser. She has been arguing both sides of every issue and changing her lies mid stream all along. She was thrown out of catholic college because of her PATHOLOGICAL LYING problem, but she would rather have us believe it was because she was caught whoring around… Then, we’ve got frantik fraud die, our SHOCK COLLAR SALESMAN. Read Jerry’s HIGH-STAKES CHALLENGE to get a better idea of where THIS FREAK is coming from. Here’s a guy who doesn’t understand enough about his product to advise people to PROPERLY CONDITION the dog to the collar prior to use. THAT is a NECESSITY the manufacturers warn users of their products about. Some of the "trainers" here are familiar with the concept, but they won’t speak up, because they want to protect their sleazy little chump chums from EMBARRASSMENT. Finally, we’ve got a crew of Anklebiters, marybeth, lyinglois, terry willis, and a few other cretins who BLOW SMOKE UP YOUR BEHIND to cover up for their pals who HURT DOGS… >4. When this page is complete, I propose that we simply "sign" > it by placing our names and e-mail addresses at the top of the > page, below the title, alphabetically ordered by our e-mail > addresses.
That’s the ONLY good idea you bums have come up with YET. SIGNING a STATEMENT would help IDENTIFY the abusive MORONS we need to be AWARE OF and AVOID, who will tell us to HURT our dogs to make them WANT TO WORK for AND PROTECT US. > Of course, keep on posting further suggestions. > –Marshall
Concerns About Claims for the Wit’s End Dog Training Method and the Doggy Do Right > We, readers and contributors to rec.pets.dogs.behavior, have > frequently read claims about the Wit’s End Dog Training > Method (WEDTM) and the Doggy Do Right (DDR). We here > document our concerns about just some of the claims > detailed at http://www.doggydoright.com/ (as of 12/26/99) and > in the numerous posts Mr. Jerry Howe, the inventor/promoter, > has made in rec.pets.dogs.behavior newsgroup.
DON’T FAIL TO MENTION that Jerry has been a professional dog trainer specializing in behavior problems and protection for three dozen years… > We have not, however, addressed all claims for two reasons.
You mean: 1) you’ve NEVER READ THE TEXT. 2) IF JERRY IS RIGHT, ALL OF YOU ARE WRONG… > First, we find some claims to be too technical to be easily > discussed here.
FIRST, THERE IS NO BASIS FOR YOUR "CONCERNS," AND YOUR OBJECTIONS ARE ONLY TO DEFEND THE ABUSERS I CONDEMN, WHO ARE HURTING DOGS TO TRAIN THEM. > Secondly, we find that many of the unaddressed claims > suffer from the same problem as those we address here– the > absence of independent, objective supporting evidence.
YOU MEAN INDEPENDENT, OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE FROM PEOPLE LIKE you? All the INFORMATION is in the FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual at http://www.doggydoright.com READ THE TEXT, and DISPROVE IT!!! > Claims Regarding the WEDTM > Claim 1: "The Wits’ End Dog Training Method is the fastest, > gentlest, most effective, comprehensive behavior > modification/obedience and protection training technique > available anywhere." (source: WEDTM manual)
FACT. > Discussion:
DISCUSSION? There has been NO DISCUSSION. OUR respected CRITICS have NEVER READ THE TEXT, and are out to criticize the WEDTM to PROTECT themselves from SCRUTINY AS DOG ABUSERS. > The manual fails to provide a survey of other training > methods, fails to provide data about their effectiveness, and > fails to provide data about their efficacy (how quickly they > work and how much they cost). Although the manual here > makes impressive relative claims for the WEDTM, the manual > presents no supporting data.
The FACTS ARE IN THE TEXT. You can read them for FREE. There IS NO COMPARISON to other training methods, because other training methods are NOT COMPARABLE. > Claim 2: "Our enlightened methods challenge the learning > centers in your dog’s brain. These centers develop and > continue to grow exponentially." (source: WEDTM manual)
FACT. > Discussion: The manual fails to identify these putative > "learning centers" and fails to provide growth data. Moreover, > the manual presents this claim in the present tense with > respect to YOUR dog. Has the author of the WEDTM seen > YOUR dog, seen YOUR dog’s brain, or used the method with > YOUR dog?
Here we’ve got a professor who is TOO LAZY to read the text he is criticizing, and his biggest argument is that the development of higher learning and increase in intelligence through TEACHING dogs instead of FORCING and HURTING them, HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN. HE would have us raise and train a few dogs, and raise and keep a few untrained dogs, KILL THEM ALL, AND TEST THEIR BRAINS FOR GROWTH… That’s SCIENTIFIC. That is the ONLY CRITERIA that will satisfy our good "professor"… Maybe if dogman has a litter of puppies, the psycho clown and him can do the work, and give the dead dogs to our good professor to examine their brains under an electron microscope??? > Claim 3: "Wits’ End Dog Training is easy, quick, and foolproof, > and works with every time (sic) , with every canine, even > wolves!" (Source: WEDTM manual)
FACT. > Discussion: It is hard to imagine a method whose > effectiveness is independent of a user’s intelligence or skill.
I GUESS STUPIDITY is YOUR PROBLEM> It is RAMPANT HERE, on rpdb…OUR "experts" here ONLY KNOW HURTING and FORCING DOGS, and FOR THAT REASON, NEED to contradict EVERY COMPETENT TRAINER who has ever recommended ways to train dogs WITHOUT HURTING THEM. > Consider something as simple as clipping nails or uncorking a > bottle of wine. Although these tasks are simple, intelligent > people can initially fail. But according to the WEDTM manual, > the WEDTM is foolproof, even the first time! This claim is > inconsistent with common experience.
That’s not surprising. EVERYTHING I say about dog training is INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU MORONS KNOW.” > The manual goes further, however, and claims that this > method is foolproof even for training wolves.
FACT> Because we DON’T FORCE and INTIMIDATE dogs, we can train the MOST DIFFICULT, MOST DOMINANT DOGS, the ones that would be jerked and choked UNMERCIFULLY, and … read more »
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Hopeless, If you decide to visit the link Jerry Howe has given you, (http://www.doggydoright.com), be sure you also take a look at http://www.sound.net/~twillis/Harlan/concerns.html "Concerns About Claims for the Wit’s End Dog Training Method and Doggy Do Right". Whatever you decide to do, make it an informed choice. Ed Williams http://Petloss.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Please help me. My dog is a 2 yr old labrador. He’s sweet and lovable > and great if I do not take him anywhere. He is fine in my house but > anyone elses house he gets really hyper and I have trouble controlling > him. Also my fiances family won’t let my dog in their house. It has > been a huge issue we haven’t resolved. I would like to be able to > leave him outside (my dog) tied so he is safe and have a nice visit. > He however barks and slips out of his collar and scratches at the door. > I don’t know how to help him feel safe comfortable in other situations > than at my house. Please give me some advice. > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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> Please help me. My dog is a 2 yr old labrador. He’s sweet and lovable > and great if I do not take him anywhere. He is fine in my house but > anyone elses house he gets really hyper and I have trouble controlling > him. Also my fiances family won’t let my dog in their house. It has > been a huge issue we haven’t resolved. I would like to be able to > leave him outside (my dog) tied so he is safe and have a nice visit. > He however barks and slips out of his collar and scratches at the door. > I don’t know how to help him feel safe comfortable in other situations > than at my house. Please give me some advice.
You didn’t mention what you’ve been doing in the way of training with this dog. Have you had him since he was a puppy? Done any obedience classes (not the formal stuff, but the basic sit-stay-recall stuff). Dogs don’t just know how to act in different situations, they have to be taught. If you haven’t (kinda sounds like this is the case) you might consider contacting a trainer in your area. They’ll have classes for teaching basic pet obedience. In what general area of the country are you? That would help in helping you find classes.
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Please help me. My dog is a 2 yr old labrador. He’s sweet and lovable and great if I do not take him anywhere. He is fine in my house but anyone elses house he gets really hyper and I have trouble controlling him. Also my fiances family won’t let my dog in their house. It has been a huge issue we haven’t resolved. I would like to be able to leave him outside (my dog) tied so he is safe and have a nice visit. He however barks and slips out of his collar and scratches at the door. I don’t know how to help him feel safe comfortable in other situations than at my house. Please give me some advice. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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Hello Hopeless, > Please help me. My dog is a 2 yr old labrador. He’s sweet and lovable > and great if I do not take him anywhere. He is fine in my house but > anyone elses house he gets really hyper and I have trouble controlling > him.
You’ve got to learn how to work with him. > Also my fiances family won’t let my dog in their house.
That would tell me something… > It has been a huge issue we haven’t resolved.
That would sum it up for me… > I would like to be able to leave him outside (my dog) tied so he
is safe and have a > nice visit. That should be easy, but will take a little work. > He however barks and slips out of his collar and scratches at the
door. You may need to work on his behavior as he is trying to slip his collar. You may need to work on his behavior when he is behind a door… It will take a little work, but it’s usually pretty easy to do. > I don’t know how to help him feel safe comfortable in other situations > than at my house. Please give me some advice.
Use my separation anxiety, surrogate toy technique to make him comfortable while he’s alone. Learn to use sound distraction and praise techniques to address his behavior when tied out and at the door. Read my posts under the headers ‘’separation anxiety” and ‘’sound distraction,” or read the full text in the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for free at http://www.doggydoright.com caveat If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed. -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after. Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all. -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding. -Jerry Howe-
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